[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by spd2918

You correctly termed Gore as a "prophet," as Global Cooling / Global Warming / Climate Change is a religion. There have been many doomsday cults in world history; this is but the latest.

Gore was enamored with Roger Revelle, the founder of the Global Warming Church. Revelle himself, before his death, said there was too little evidence to mandate drastic changes:

"The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time."

Prophet Gore, to his credit, figured out a way to use doomsday predictions to extract money from both followers and governments.

That is all History. Only the last 30 years are meaningful in that the temperature data records by scientists around the world confirmed the increases in HEAT. Al Gore was an EARLY warning spokesman that was unafraid to go AGAINST the OIL and GAS industry, which had the most money to buy government influence - which continues to this day.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

This is my point exactly.

I don't know who made the temperature graph. I don't know who they work for, I don't know if I can trust the guy giving directions or setting the vision. I don't know if they altered the axis to make it look one way or another, if they included outliers, deleted only high or low outliers. I don't know if their thermometer is in the sun or includes 'feels like' temps. The weather guys in Tampa and Orlando would have us believe the temps been over a hundred multiple times this summer, why is the 'feels' temp 15or 20 deg higher than the actual temp these days? (I've got a sling psychrometer and a psychometric chart and I'm not afraid to use them!) Is it hot and humid, heck yes, but my thermometer hasn't been anywhere near that high.

I think the world population numbers are probably close but again who counted, are they missing a finger or are they like GE's cousin that has 6 fingers on each hand?

As I said in the first place, so many of the actual facts have been tarnished by a bunch of unscrupulous dirt bags lying to get clicks, votes or a paycheck.

I wanna believe but I don't.

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.

And the best part is that we are entering a climatic optimum, as global warming and increasing CO2 are benefiting life on land and in the seas. There is no climate change crisis -- just a climate education crisis.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Sorry JJ ... folks who attend The Weather Club know 120 (and not 110) was the max Texas temperature ... way way back when CO2 was way way lower. Chill.

OK I will look it up. I was going by a report on the Weather Channel.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.

you left off a huge one, the trash islands around the world

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is all History. Only the last 30 years are meaningful in that the temperature data records by scientists around the world confirmed the increases in HEAT. Al Gore was an EARLY warning spokesman that was unafraid to go AGAINST the OIL and GAS industry, which had the most money to buy government influence - which continues to this day.

Al Gore's family made millions from coal. He is a grifter, enriching himself on lies. His predictions have all failed and so much data is now being falsified to prop up a theory.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

NONE of those graphs specify how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Why is that?

Scientists measure temperature on land worldwide and in all the Oceans. I know that the CO2 in the atmosphere is very small compared to nitrogen and oxygen. They may or may NOT be able to measure CO2 increases. But, that is NOT important because it is the upper layer of the atmosphere which has accumulated CO2 and is reflecting HEAT that is important. Scientists know that CO2 is accumulating in coral reefs because of the worldwide reef destruction.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

I think that I will go incognito and dress as an old man with a white-haired wig. (from Tonga)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

You are welcome to survey its 458 registered members (not including spouses & friends) ... which grow after each meeting.

That is seriously frightening to me.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Bring on JJ ... August 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Bring your data -- if you have it. You may want to review this first. This video is by Javier Vinos, one of the world's leading climate analysts -- and the only one that I know of that actually made a climate change forecast that verified (unlike Al Gore) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7GN96BUCEo

I watched that (with difficulty) to near the end where he had a video of the UN Sec General stating that May 2024 was the HOTTEST on record as well as the 12 months before that. Then that guy disagreed with the UN Sec General. I am sorry to say that of the 2 experts, I will pick the UN Sec General for me to believe.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

This is my point exactly.

I don't know who made the temperature graph. I don't know who they work for, I don't know if I can trust the guy giving directions or setting the vision. I don't know if they altered the axis to make it look one way or another, if they included outliers, deleted only high or low outliers. I don't know if their thermometer is in the sun or includes 'feels like' temps. The weather guys in Tampa and Orlando would have us believe the temps been over a hundred multiple times this summer, why is the 'feels' temp 15or 20 deg higher than the actual temp these days? (I've got a sling psychrometer and a psychometric chart and I'm not afraid to use them!) Is it hot and humid, heck yes, but my thermometer hasn't been anywhere near that high.

I think the world population numbers are probably close but again who counted, are they missing a finger or are they like GE's cousin that has 6 fingers on each hand?

As I said in the first place, so many of the actual facts have been tarnished by a bunch of unscrupulous dirt bags lying to get clicks, votes or a paycheck.

I wanna believe but I don't.

When scientists make measurements of temperature and ocean rise around the world. Those can't be faked because they are peer reviewed. Just like the Tonga eruption was considered and then LATER rejected BY PEER REVIEW. I trust US Government Science Agencies. You have to pick who do you trust. It is too easy to say no one is to be trusted.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

When scientists make measurements of temperature and ocean rise around the world. Those can't be faked because they are peer reviewed. Just like the Tonga eruption was considered and then LATER rejected BY PEER REVIEW. I trust US Government Science Agencies. You have to pick who do you trust. It is too easy to say no one is to be trusted.

Do you trust the CDC and WHO as much as you did 30 years ago?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.

Nice rant, very informative.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

Do you trust the CDC and WHO as much as you did 30 years ago?

Well, I believe that the CDC just approved a booster shot for Covid. I think of it as a necessary shot for me to get. I would NOT use the term booster. But, either way I trust them and I will get the shot. I know that a lot of people will not. They are the people that I don't trust, not the CDC.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Either that or a scientology meeting. Depends on what cult you want to join. That's just my opinion.

Didn't you say we should stop the antagonistic rhetoric?