[Cuervo]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Man is a very minor player.
It will reverse all by itself, as it has for the last 400,000 years at least, is another 100 years or so. We then begin the long trek into the next ice age.
The expected max temp, as predicted by the Milankovich Cycles (which are a well accepted scientific fact for many decades now), has yet to be reached.

I think to sit on the sideline and do nothing if man has a chance to reverse the cycle of climate change would be a failure. In the past 50 years we've gone from land lines to cell phone, we've gone from earth bound to space. With the aid of A.I. there might be a solution of how to control the climate.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

Man has contributed to extinction of about everything for greed. They bulldozed land to plant crops, they killed of animals for trophies, they killed their fellow humans for land and control. So why not kill off weather? No other animals can have profound effect of planet earth. Maybe population reduction would be better investment than trying to tilt earth axis?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Such garbage, the Santa Ana winds are not caused by climate change and Santa Ana winds have nothing to do with Santa Ana, California. Our house burned down along with 220 others in Santa Barbara due to Santa Ana winds almost 50 years ago. Back then, the fools were calling it global warming, or the hole in the ozone layer, or some other catchy phrase they tried to pull over us.
People (California leadership, homeowners) have to take responsibility for these fires, for example, the idiotic leadership has to implement standards in building construction, like no cedar roofs, no tall trees close to the house and creating fire breaks and implementing forest management.
But, all the California leadership can do is blame everyone else. These fires are right next to the ocean, salt water that would extinguish the flames easier, and nothing is happening. We were in another fire in another state and we had 50 helicopters with buckets dipping their buckets in our lake and dumping it on the fires. Not 1 helicopter was issued to do that in these California fires.
Maui, same thing happened. Ignorant leadership.

Bingo - excellent post. There will be another 5-minute "weather" overview of the LA fires on Jan 17 at 4 PM at Lake Miona -- prior to the "Sea Level Rise & Ocean Warming" talk for the Philosophy Club.

[Bwanajim]

"Climate" is always changing and it has forever. I remember in the 70s in high school the world was going to freeze over and it what is the coming "Ice Age"& it would be snowing in Florida. Then it started getting warmer & they started calling it something else. Then when it got cooler again they just started calling it "climate change" to cover all the bases.
For all these people on the left calling for electric vehicles and banning oil and gas, stoves and all the other crap. Every person in the United States could be dead and not admit one single Carbon footprint, but it would make no difference, unless China and India and places like that start reducing there's.

[maistocars]

aye yi yi.......

[lpkruege1]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

The Sky is Falling, The Sky Is Falling! Seriously, just follow the money.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bwanajim

You are 100% correct! Is the fault of Gavin Newsom and the mayor. He knocked down 3 dams to save a fish and took away some of their water reservoir system. They didn't clean the underbrush. They waited forever when they could've had planes, dropping water and fire retardant soon as it started. They could have called the National Guard out earlier. They could have monitored that area by just flying over every day.

That was up in Oregon and northern CA and looks to have no connection to the water system in Los Angeles.

Lots of bad information out there .

[SaucyJim]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I do not pretend to understand the science of what is going on, but Mother Nature is certainly pizzed off and has been for a while.

You do know that there is no actual conscious entity named Mother Nature, right? Emotions cannot be attributed to euphemistic terms for the natural world.

[Danube]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

"Everything I don't like is caused by climate change" has fallen out of favor. Get with the times.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

Actually -- the "data" shows bad weather is getting less frequent and less severe. Attend the Weather Club to see the data and find out why global warming and increasing CO2 is preferred over global cooling and decreasing CO2.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

"Faster" is a subjective opinion. Do you have any supporting data -- like how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth in 2023 for example?

Same tired silly question. The data is there.
If you (humans) add fuel to a cars engine it will go faster. fact. How much faster depends on many factors, like make and model, quality of fuel, fuel mixture, load, resistance, etc. Rather than try to quiet the statement by focusing on one fluctuating element of the fuel mixture, why not engage in more constructive dialog about what might help slow the rate of warming? Global warming/climate change, once vehemently denied, is now openly accepted. One step to go is acknowledgement that human activities have played a part.

[coleprice]

That's Malarkey! Santana Winds in Southern California have been recorded for over 300 years at the same velocities and frequency as today . . . Of course it varies year by year but there is no trend of increase over time. I grew up on Southern California and lived there for over 60 years and can testify that Santana Winds have always been prevalent this time of year.

Data that has been "Produced" to the contrary, is "Selective", thus it is inaccurate.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest

Maybe the Wind Gusts are keeping them from providing Air Support. They have used air support including super tankers in the past, but not during high winds.

One water carrier was taken out by a civilian drone.

[ithos]

As urban areas have grown, the island effect has increased temperatures. Of course there has been no correction for this effect.

Urban Heat Island Effects Have Not Yet Been Removed from Official GHCN Warming Trends – Watts Up With That?

The greater a station’s population growth, the greater the observed warming trend. This is pretty convincing evidence that the raw GHCN data has substantial UHI effects impacting the computed trends (probably no surprise here). Note the UHI temperature trend averages 66% of the raw temperature trends.
The regression line fit to the data intercepting zero shows that those stations with no population growth have, on average, no warming trend.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

The Sky is Falling, The Sky Is Falling! Seriously, just follow the money.

^ Concur. Exactly this. I remember in the 1980's when the hyperventilating sign-wavers were demanding an end to hairspray and aerosols because of the hole in the o-zone they supposedly created. We were all going to die of skin cancer within decades. Well, 45 years later that hole in the o-zone magically healed itself. Or never existed in the first place.