[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

This might sound heartless, but we all understand this risk we take when we decide where we want to live. I've chosen to live here in Florida with the knowledge that I could find myself homeless one day due to a hurricane. The residents of California have to be aware they are living under a triple threat, Fire, Earthquakes, and Mudslides. Yet they have decided to live there anyway.

Now is climate change adding to the severity of the fires in California. Believer in climate change will say yes and deniers will say no. I can't give you an answer, but I do know in my lifetime the climate has been changing. Now I have two questions, is man responsible for the present change in the climate and even if he is not, is there something that we can do to reverse it. If not for us, for our grandchildren.

I think you mean for your great great 2000x great grandchildren in 50 or 60,000 years

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Both global cooling and global warming are "climate change." When the climate changes - no matter what that change is, no matter what causes it, no matter how severe or mild - it is - by definition - climate change.

People love weaponizing and politicizing terms. Climate change is an actual thing. It happens, whether you want to accept it or not. Your opinion about climate change won't make it stop happening. It will happen whether people cause OR contribute to it, or not. People contribute to it, and we COULD reduce our contribution if we wanted to. But the climate will continue to change. Faster than if we hadn't contributed to it, but nonetheless, change.

All true, but I'll add best independent, non-political estimates are that human activity will simply delay the next ice age by about 5,000 years---and that is due to the rise of agriculture in Asia over the last 8,000 years and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAST 200 YEARS OF BURNING FOSSIL FUELS.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Looks very one-sided.

And the government websites aren't?
Basics of Climate Change | US EPA

Global warming is not settled science. Climate change has been around since the beginning of time. And when the proposed solution is to increase taxes and throttle our standard of living then it is wise to be exposed to scientific based arguments of both sides because it is extremely complex.

I originally believed they hype from Al Gore, but became more skeptical when many scientists in the climate field were challenging the theory. So I dug further and read about the UN climate change conferences and found out that the politicians and bureaucrats dominated the discourse and the many scientists who disagreed were completely ignored.

Science can be and has many times been corrupted by special interests especially when profits and political power can be obtained.

[Rocksnap]

Originally Posted by sounding

Find out why Jan 13 at 10 AM at the Savannah for a talk called "Florida Weather 101" for the Civil Discourse Club.

Note to self. Over 1/2 the country is smart enough to realize the climate IS ALWAYS CHANGING. And smart enough to realize man has no impact on this. To say anything otherwise, well, you missed a day in school.

[Rocksnap]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

This is TOTV. We all know everything about everything, even if we don't agree. 😉

Well there’s some of us that do know, and some of us that missed that day in school.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

No. They just has better things to do than play on totv at this time. They will be back when they are in the mood to pluck some ostrich tail feathers.

And, FYI, they/we never said the sky was falling. That is vicious mis-characterization of well meaning folks that, with the best scientific knowledge available acknowledge that climate change is affected by human activity. That's all. The "sky" is not falling.

When people say the economy must be severely damaged and people's quality of life destroyed due to unsupported AGW claims, they are saying the sky is falling.
The Gangrene New Deal is a knee jerk reaction to the sky falling...and an open power grab.
Seriously, we all know there are plenty of chicken littles. They can be spotted by how angry they get when asked what percentage of the warming is the expected natural increase we know is happening and what percentage is man made. No one is able to answer that question.
Oh, people KNOW man is causing heating but cannot say how much...not even a rounded estimate.
The reason why is simple, man's addition falls into the margin of error in the models.
We should stop pollution, it is bad, but humans are not the cause of global warming, nature is.
Warming is happening but man cannot change it without messing things up. That is the one thing we excel at.
Let the Milankovich Cycles keep playing their sing and in another hundred or so years we will be heading back down to ot the next ce age. For now, enjoy the increase in plant life the extra heat and CO2 brings us.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

All true, but I'll add best independent, non-political estimates are that human activity will simply delay the next ice age by about 5,000 years---and that is due to the rise of agriculture in Asia over the last 8,000 years and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAST 200 YEARS OF BURNING FOSSIL FUELS.

What percentage of the temp increase is caused by man and what percentage is caused by the natural temp increase we know is happening?
Source the answer. Thanks!

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

So the title of this thread, "Santa Ana winds [B]are caused by climate change/B] conveyed a message that was not exactly accurate?

Yes, the title is a lie meant to stir the pot.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

Now I have two questions, is man responsible for the present change in the climate and even if he is not, is there something that we can do to reverse it. If not for us, for our grandchildren.

Man is a very minor player.
It will reverse all by itself, as it has for the last 400,000 years at least, is another 100 years or so. We then begin the long trek into the next ice age.
The expected max temp, as predicted by the Milankovich Cycles (which are a well accepted scientific fact for many decades now), has yet to be reached.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

What percentage of the temp increase is caused by man and what percentage is caused by the natural temp increase we know is happening?
Source the answer. Thanks!

You do realize I agree with you, correct? But I did find this:

Mounting Evidence Suggests Early Agriculture Staved Off Global Cooling | UVA Today

Also, from another source---"So how can all this help us understand future climate? One idea is that small increases in greenhouse gases due to the expansion of agriculture that started 8,000 years ago have in fact delayed the next ice age. "

[ithos]

Any field of academic study that blacklists and fires scientists that have contrary views is corrupted and can not be taken seriously.

How Academic ‘Blacklists’ Impede Serious Work On Climate Science

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by Rocksnap

Note to self. Over 1/2 the country is smart enough to realize the climate IS ALWAYS CHANGING. And smart enough to realize man has no impact on this. To say anything otherwise, well, you missed a day in school.

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

[Marmaduke]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Both global cooling and global warming are "climate change." When the climate changes - no matter what that change is, no matter what causes it, no matter how severe or mild - it is - by definition - climate change.

People love weaponizing and politicizing terms. Climate change is an actual thing. It happens, whether you want to accept it or not. Your opinion about climate change won't make it stop happening. It will happen whether people cause OR contribute to it, or not. People contribute to it, and we COULD reduce our contribution if we wanted to. But the climate will continue to change. Faster than if we hadn't contributed to it, but nonetheless, change.

Yeah, people love weaponizing terms and phrases, so let's Hope and Change and give them a good Shellacking!
JOY.
I agree with OBB that we don't allow words as weapons.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

And some of use are smart enough to understand there’s no way man has NOT contributed to climate change. I remember when they stopped making aerosol deodorants due to depletion of the ozone layer. Yes, the climate is always changing but also yes man has contributed to things getting more severe.

I believe that is an oxymoron.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I wish a real climate expert would come on here.

I’m self proclaimed climate expert. I worked in all sorts climate. From -30F below zero to 116F degrees for over 55 years. During that time I had to pick up something heavier than pencil. I can tell when it cold IT’S COLD and when it’s HOT it’s HOT.