[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

But didn't you say we were in a seven year cooling trend and sea ice was increasing?

Let me try to put all this together:

The cruise was canceled because of the excess ice during a warming period while we are in a cooling trend where we are thawing out and sea ice is increasing.

Correct. The climate is composed of a complex series of warming and cooling cycles of varying amplitudes and frequencies. And, we are currently in a cooling Feynman cycle which is a long-term sunspot cycle. And, we are currently in a warming Eddy cycle which is a longer-term internal solar cycle. And, we are currently in a cooling Milankovitch cycle which is a very long term orbital forcing cycle. There are also others affecting us -- all of which are periodically reviewed in the weather club. All these cycles are easily found via many peer-reviewed studies. One more thing, CO2 is plant food and has never been proven to control any climate cycles.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by sounding

The October 2022 UAH (Univ of Alabama at Huntsville) Satellite DATA is now in and the 7-year trend is still in a slight downward trend. Even though this year (so far) is a tad warmer than last year, the global DATA trend for the last 7 years shows slight cooling. The NOAA global surface temperature DATA reflects a similar slight cooling trend. Plus, November brings early snows ... Mammoth ski season to open early with fresh snow - Los Angeles Times

Let me know when there is valid data to cast judgement on. 7 years is a nothing considering the age of this planet. every year is different, how can anyone say Ian is a 500 yr storm? wheres the data for the last 1500 years to prove it?

[Vermilion Villager]

It's amazing this thread has been allowed to continue yet a great conversation on Social Security was shut down by the moderator after 20 posts. If this isn't political then I don't know what is. I'd like the moderator to please explain.........

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You already provided the answer to the hunting: $50,000.

As for the number increasing, don't know if that's even true and don't know what it has to do with warming. It's not difficult to imagine that the loss of normal habitat for the bears has forced them into new patterns and new areas that has led to a population increase. *IF* that is even the case.

Bear numbers world wide are fairly stable ... at the moment, it seems. But the bears habitat lose has made their hunting of their normal prey far more difficult. If they can't hunt their prey then, ? Bears can't order from "door dash".
As to the numbers. Years ago polar bears were put on the endangered species list, and their numbers came back. Now, a native group in northern Canada is willing to take trophy hunters out on native land (for $50,000) to kill a polar bear.
All in all, polar bear numbers are a result of being given protected status, NOT because the polar ice is not melting.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

Let me know when there is valid data to cast judgement on. 7 years is a nothing considering the age of this planet. every year is different, how can anyone say Ian is a 500 yr storm? wheres the data for the last 1500 years to prove it?

That's a deal. I'll be right here to report on the 8-year trend -- and so on. It's just data -- no judgements needed. Just one question though ... why is CO2 underperforming and allowing cooling to happen? Are we not making enough CO2? CO2 emissions are steadily increasing and yet we're not warming -- this is very disappointing.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

It's amazing this thread has been allowed to continue yet a great conversation on Social Security was shut down by the moderator after 20 posts. If this isn't political then I don't know what is. I'd like the moderator to please explain.........

The moderators don't have to explain. Their board, they decide who gets to play. I got dinged one morning for suggestin another poster could use another cup of coffee to wake them up. A joke the moderator thought was insulting. I didn't get it, but the moderators don't need to explain to us.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

That's a deal. I'll be right here to report on the 8-year trend -- and so on. It's just data -- no judgements needed. Just one question though ... why is CO2 underperforming and allowing cooling to happen? Are we not making enough CO2? CO2 emissions are steadily increasing and yet we're not warming -- this is very disappointing.

Of course the 10 year, 20 year, 150 year, and 4 year trends all show warming. And from the look of the trendline, I wouldn't have too much confidence in that eight year trend.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The moderators don't have to explain. Their board, they decide who gets to play. I got dinged one morning for suggestin another poster could use another cup of coffee to wake them up. A joke the moderator thought was insulting. I didn't get it, but the moderators don't need to explain to us.

Whoa ... since when is temperature data and plant food political? Many want it to be political, but that's dangerous. Feynman saw it happening.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Of course the 10 year, 20 year, 150 year, and 4 year trends all show warming. And from the look of the trendline, I wouldn't have too much confidence in that eight year trend.

And why is CO2 underperforming?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

Whoa ... since when is temperature data and plant food political? Many want it to be political, but that's dangerous. Feynman saw it happening.

Whoa, indeed! I never said it was. Were you attemting to respond to someone else?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

And why is CO2 underperforming?

Is it? Is the climate understood so well that we can look at one aspect of it and say it is underperforming?

[HORNET]

Politicians using Global Warning for monetary gains

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by HORNET

Politicians using Global Warning for monetary gains

Industrialists and foreign governments denying Global Warming for "monetary gains"?

Choose your conspiracy and get in the game.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Is it? Is the climate understood so well that we can look at one aspect of it and say it is underperforming?

But the SCIENCE says CO2 is the control knob ... Just a moment... Is it also controlling global cooling?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

But the SCIENCE says CO2 is the control knob ... Just a moment... Is it also controlling global cooling?

Yes, and?