[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by sounding

It is very worth it, as these issues (like climate change) reflect what Eisenhower warned us about many years ago -- how government increasingly controls "the science" -- and today everyone is "expected" to follow -- or be cancelled ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V71-kXuQhTo Einstein said, "Genius abhors consensus, because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

So much truer now than ever. Cancel Culture is the smoking gun to force any number of lies to be spread

[Petersweeney]

[QUOTE=rsmurano;2148838]Who would ever believe in the cdc or fauci or gore? Which hoax did you believe in during the last 50 … I can’t believe I’m saying this but I would vote for big ALbert in 2024….

[billethkid]

After seeing many barns with a bullseye target painted on them with an arrow right smack dab in the center of the bullseye, one could conclude there is a very adept bow and arrow marksman about...........until coming upon the person who shoots the arrow into the side of the barn and THEN........paints the bulls eye target around the arrow!!!!

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[Tom M]

Originally Posted by sounding

Of course I'm serious. I'm always serious. Life is too short for tom-foolery. It's amazing how the satanic gas, called CO2, is making life on earth so much better. Even before the EPA declared CO2 a pollutant, CO2 was demonstrating its demonic evil powers -- decreasing tornadoes, hurricanes, and even land-falling hurricanes. Data trends for floods, droughts, and wildfires are all decreasing with increasing CO2. Polar bear population is rising as hunting them is expanding -- but at $50,000 a head. And the Great Barrier Reef corals are at a 36-year high. If CO2 is a pollutant, then let's make more -- much more -- and that way commercial greenhouses won't have to spend extra bucks to pump CO2 into them to help plants grow bigger and faster.

And there are longer growing seasons, it helps crops grow better, forests are expanding northward, there may be more north sea shipping routes, less heating fuel needed for northern climates (where warming is more impactful than southern climates), more global rainfall. Yes, there are benefits and there are also significant negatives. But it's nice to hear both sides, not just one.

[ex34449]

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[Byte1]

Originally Posted by billethkid

After seeing many barns with a bullseye target painted on them with an arrow right smack dab in the center of the bullseye, one could conclude there is a very adept bow and arrow marksman about...........until coming upon the person who shoots the arrow into the side of the barn and THEN........paints the bulls eye target around the arrow!!!!

Conclusions based on _ _ _?_ _ _.

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Excellent analogy!

[Pegasusprt]

Let's blame California and their mismanagement of their forestry plan. Without the fires in California we would have more trees to take care of the CO2

[Cartybabe]

Originally Posted by sounding

Increased atmospheric CO2 prevented Hurricane Ian from attaining Category 5 status. According to the NHC and Weather Channel all the right conditions were in place ... very warm ocean temperatures, very humid air, and the La Nina in the Eastern Pacific. So it must be the higher CO2 levels.

Well I guess that shoots down the climate change theory then huh?

[rogerrice60]

Amen!

[rogerrice60]

Originally Posted by sounding

Of course I'm serious. I'm always serious. Life is too short for tom-foolery. It's amazing how the satanic gas, called CO2, is making life on earth so much better. Even before the EPA declared CO2 a pollutant, CO2 was demonstrating its demonic evil powers -- decreasing tornadoes, hurricanes, and even land-falling hurricanes. Data trends for floods, droughts, and wildfires are all decreasing with increasing CO2. Polar bear population is rising as hunting them is expanding -- but at $50,000 a head. And the Great Barrier Reef corals are at a 36-year high. If CO2 is a pollutant, then let's make more -- much more -- and that way commercial greenhouses won't have to spend extra bucks to pump CO2 into them to help plants grow bigger and faster.

Excellent commentary!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Normal

Or maybe a storm and saddened people shouldn’t be used for a political agenda? In a month we will have record cold temps, how convenient that will be…

I agree that many lives have been significantly and negatively affected by hurricane Ian. (some died) And we should keep that at the top of our minds. But, it may be edifying to discuss what warnings Ian possesses for the Florida coast and the relationship between Global Warming and hurricane intensity (and other issues). My wife suggested that after Floridians get their next homeowners' insurance bill, weather and climate change will start to BITE. Five insurance companies have pulled out of Florida. I would say that that is insurance companies with the best and brightest predicting and forecasting minds available - are saying that the Gulf water temperature is warming (like the rest of the globe) and it will RESULT in more intense hurricanes. They don't care if man or God or a tilt of the earth's axis or the tooth fairy caused the potential intensity increases - they are OUTTA HERE.

By talking about a problem we can honor those that DIED and those that are homeless by talking about the problem and coming to a greater understanding so that we can recognize future problems and be willing to empathetically do something about those future problems.
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[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Increased atmospheric CO2 prevented Hurricane Ian from attaining Category 5 status. According to the NHC and Weather Channel all the right conditions were in place ... very warm ocean temperatures, very humid air, and the La Nina in the Eastern Pacific. So it must be the higher CO2 levels.

I believe that IAN was only about 2 mph from being a Cat 5 hurricane. Close enough for me, I will consider it a 5.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Well then using that logic, and regarding Major Hurricanes (MH) ... we had 7 in 2020, 4 in 2021, and 2 in 2022 (this year). Looks like CO2 is over-performing. Let's add more CO2.

Besides CO2 increasing the blanket effect in the upper atmosphere, it gets absorbed into the oceans and kills the coral reefs, which decreases the supply of fish to the dinner table. Planting more trees and controlling the world population is the answer (that no one wants to hear) But wars and diseases will have some controlling effect. (not the SMARTEST of ways)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Why, repeat WHY, would we follow "leaders" who have a vested interest in promoting human activity as a cause of climate change??????

The EPA "leaders" want to keep their government jobs-----imagine someone in the EPA coming out and publicly stating that human activity has done nothing to change the climate----"Gone in Sixty Seconds" would be a gross underestimate of their longevity.

Imagine a climate scientist putting forth a proposal for a government grant with the premise that he intends to show human activity causing climate change is a myth----can anyone spell a grant of ZERO

Can you imagine a professor of climatology at one our universities (bastions of free speech) teaching their students that anthropogenic climate change is a myth?

And then the truly indoctrinated tout that "90%+ of climate scientists agree that human activity is driving climate change". First of all, that number has been shown to be false and secondly, DOH!!!! no kidding

And those are just the people trying to preserve their salaries. Then we can move on to those that stand to make hundreds of millions for this farce....

If the US refused to make "green energy" products, that will NOT stop Europe, China, and India from making them. The US would lose all those jobs to other countries. When basically, the whole WORLD has agreed that for ideological and practical purposes green energy products are a needed solution for the planet Earth - I for one will NOT swim against that Global current!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I could have sworn that I learned in school that CO2 was used by plants to create oxygen. Without plants, humans and animals cannot exist. Seems like CO2 is good. If CO2 makes the weather better, then that is an added bonus.

CO2 is fine for the planet EXCEPT when it is out of balance and (due to higher population) forests are all cut down for CONCRETE cities and highways. Now there is not enough trees and other plants to act as a buffer to keep the system in balance. And the oceans then try to absorb the excess CO2, but they are polluted and the coral reefs are dying.