[fishon]

I’m not being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of these little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this big world. Someday you'll understand that. “Now, now. Here's looking at you, kid."

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Jesus if he were actually divine would be able to see the past, present and future. All of it. As would God.

Humans Destroying Ecosystems: How to Measure Our Impact on the Environment

Jesus WEPT. This would probably be the fitting line for man's destruction of the Garden of Eden.

But man DIDN"T "destroy" the Garden of Eden-----he was kicked out.
And using your see the future/predestination argument, why create it in the first place?????

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But man DIDN"T "destroy" the Garden of Eden-----he was kicked out.
And using your see the future/predestination argument, why create it in the first place?????

We agree!?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

We agree!?

Oh, no! This could be a sign that the world really IS coming to and end. (but not from global warming )

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But man DIDN"T "destroy" the Garden of Eden-----he was kicked out.
And using your see the future/predestination argument, why create it in the first place?????

The Garden of Eden is supposedly in the Middle East unless it is just a metaphor for people doing evil deeds and losing God's grace.

Destroying the place where future generations will be living seems evil. Especially if the scientific community views that destruction as being able to be mitigated by man's efforts. Sticking your head in the sand and just saying it is all part of Mother Nature's designs seems like turning your back on your kids', grandkids' and great grandkids' futures.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The Garden of Eden is supposedly in the Middle East unless it is just a metaphor for people doing evil deeds and losing God's grace.

Destroying the place where future generations will be living seems evil. Especially if the scientific community views that destruction as being able to be mitigated by man's efforts. Sticking your head in the sand and just saying it is all part of Mother Nature's designs seems like turning your back on your kids', grandkids' and great grandkids' futures.

Actually brings up an interesting question. According to Genesis, the Garden of Eden was at the confluence of 4 rivers--the Tigris, the Euphrates, and 2 that are unknown to us, putting it somewhere near the head of the Persian Gulf.

But since it is no longer there, and man was kicked out and didn't "destroy" it, what happened? Did God destroy it? But according to your post, that would make God evil. Or perhaps, the desert eventually took over, over time, just as ongoing cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws are dominating our climate. I'd hate to think God turned his back on his children and grandchildren.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually brings up an interesting question. According to Genesis, the Garden of Eden was at the confluence of 4 rivers--the Tigris, the Euphrates, and 2 that are unknown to us, putting it somewhere near the head of the Persian Gulf.

But since it is no longer there, and man was kicked out and didn't "destroy" it, what happened? Did God destroy it? But according to your post, that would make God evil. Or perhaps, the desert eventually took over, over time, just as ongoing cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws are dominating our climate. I'd hate to think God turned his back on his children and grandchildren.

It is still there.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is still there.

Really?????

Where do I sign up for a tour???

Does it depend if it is on the Iraqi side or the Iranian side of the Euphrates?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Really?????

Where do I sign up for a tour???

Does it depend if it is on the Iraqi side or the Iranian side of the Euphrates?

Where Is the Garden of Eden? What We Know of it'''s Location

You kind of opened this up to religion a few posts back. I do prefer to talk about science.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, at the risk of committing blasphemy, I would paraphrase Jesus to describe the misguided true believer climate alarmists to read: "FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT. PERIOD."

Right here. You bring in religion. I prefer science and I see Global Warming clues every day on the news. As have most of the scientific community the world over. Accept Global Warming as a danger that needs to be addressed NOW.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Where Is the Garden of Eden? What We Know of it'''s Location

You kind of opened this up to religion a few posts back. I do prefer to talk about science.

Revisionist "history"???? and only a few posts back. It was fdp... that quoted Jesus on the cross in post # 58, the first religious reference in this thread. I merely corrected the quote to make it applicable to climate change advocates. Then YOU first mentioned the Garden of Eden. Sorry to confuse you with the facts (again)

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I actually do have a shared ownership of oil land with wells, so it is in my financial interest to pump and sell oil. But I get the truth of man's interference with nature and our, dare I say "contributions", to global warming. It is painfully obvious (or should be) to any thinking and caring person taking a look at our poor planet what we have done, and are continuing to do. I feel like echoing the words of Jesus on the cross, "PITY THEM, FATHER, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO".

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Right here. You bring in religion. I prefer science and I see Global Warming clues every day on the news. As have most of the scientific community the world over. Accept Global Warming as a danger that needs to be addressed NOW.

Uhhhh. Wrong again, in 2 consecutive posts. It was not I that introduced religion to this thread. And I much prefer science. However, this "your children and grandchildren will die from global warming" or "the world will end in 2030" is NOT science---more of a pseudoscientific cult that doesn't even realize they are being used by certain powerful people to push an agenda with a HUGE profit motive and HUGE political gain. What was the term coined in years gone by? "Useful idiots"?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Uhhhh. Wrong again, in 2 consecutive posts. It was not I that introduced religion to this thread. And I much prefer science. However, this "your children and grandchildren will die from global warming" or "the world will end in 2030" is NOT science---more of a pseudoscientific cult that doesn't even realize they are being used by certain powerful people to push an agenda with a HUGE profit motive and HUGE political gain. What was the term coined in years gone by? "Useful idiots"?

When do usefull idiots become useless idiots? Asking for a friend

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As far as glaciers go, those thousands that are growing LOGICALLY must have had a hard time GROWING when WORLDWIDE this July was the WARMEST in recorded temperatures. Those poor little glaciers must have had to try so very hard to grow in JULY. And now along comes August, which seems pretty warm to me. And I have the sweaty shirts to prove it.

What was it that you just said about having a debate without "snark"?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Just looked up the %s for agreement of scientists about Global Warming. nationalacademies.org says that 97% agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. The Cornell Chronicle says that 99.9 % of studies agree.......humans cause Climate Change. NASA says 97 %.

How many times are you going to repeat that same old "DEBUNKED" statistic?