[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

No individual or company is being forced to manufacture anything. You make this sound like a slave state, which it is not. But, companies that have their eyes on the future will certainly upgrade, improve, and add to their list of offerings, as well as eliminating older, less efficient products and technology.

Due to new milage regulations in CAFE standards.

The same type of thing that spawned the growth of the SUVs and Minivans...

They are not considered "cars", so they didn't count towards the MPG requirements set by the Feds...

The car companies produced thousands of "economy cars" that no one wanted. But they had to be produced to counter the higher MPG cars that were actually being sold...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Due to new milage regulations in CAFE standards.

The same type of thing that spawned the growth of the SUVs and Minivans...

They are not considered "cars", so they didn't count towards the MPG requirements set by the Feds...

The car companies produced thousands of "economy cars" that no one wanted. But they had to be produced to counter the higher MPG cars that were actually being sold...

If one chooses to compete, one must be competitive.
But one may always choose not to compete.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

If one chooses to compete, one must be competitive.
But one may always choose not to compete.

I wasn't talking about being competitive with other companies.

I was talking about stacking the deck against the auto companies...

Just as certain states are doing now by requiring a certain percentage of cars sold by 2030 to be EVs... And by ending gasoline only new car sales by 2035...

The Feds are talking about making that a national mandate...

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by sounding

In 1986 the father of global warming, NASA scientist Dr. James Hansen, said we should be at least 5 degrees Celsius warmer than we now are. Find out why he said that, April 17 at 10AM at Colony Cottage at the Civil Discourse club meeting.

A "civil discourse" club sounds really interesting if truly "civil" !

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I wasn't talking about being competitive with other companies.

I was talking about stacking the deck against the auto companies...

Just as certain states are doing now by requiring a certain percentage of cars sold by 2030 to be EVs... And by ending gasoline only new car sales by 2035...

The Feds are talking about making that a national mandate...

"Stacking the deck", or gvt mandates, laws prohibiting dangerous or harmful things are required to protect or serve the best interest of the general public.
Although there are many who argue against any regulation, the reality is that, like the chihuahua string against his leash (gvt mandates and laws, etc) trying to get to that hungry, angry Doberman, he is ignorant of the fact that his owner is saving his very life.
The old mantra of, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", makes a nice sound bite and propaganda for holding on to old technology. But old tech is broken by the shear fact it is old and out moded and no longer the best available. Behold! "New and Improved"! Better in all quarters, and getting better all the time.
Just like buggies whips weren't broken. They just outlive their general usefulness, unless you are Amish and stuck in a time warp. The general use for the IC engine is going slowly by the wayside. Put down my flint knife and get one of steel. Trade bow and arrow for a rifle.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

The car companies produced thousands of "economy cars" that no one wanted. .

Did you grow up in an ultra rich area? In many many places economy cars was the only car any entry level people could afford, especially with the lower gas mileage of these vehicles. The fact that anyone thinks this is a conspiracy theory is laughable.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

"Stacking the deck", or gvt mandates, laws prohibiting dangerous or harmful things are required to protect or serve the best interest of the general public.
Although there are many who argue against any regulation, the reality is that, like the chihuahua string against his leash (gvt mandates and laws, etc) trying to get to that hungry, angry Doberman, he is ignorant of the fact that his owner is saving his very life.
The old mantra of, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", makes a nice sound bite and propaganda for holding on to old technology. But old tech is broken by the shear fact it is old and out moded and no longer the best available. Behold! "New and Improved"! Better in all quarters, and getting better all the time.
Just like buggies whips weren't broken. They just outlive their general usefulness, unless you are Amish and stuck in a time warp. The general use for the IC engine is going slowly by the wayside. Put down my flint knife and get one of steel. Trade bow and arrow for a rifle.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

Did you grow up in an ultra rich area? In many many places economy cars was the only car any entry level people could afford, especially with the lower gas mileage of these vehicles. The fact that anyone thinks this is a conspiracy theory is laughable.

It's not me saying that. It was the car companies... They know what people want to buy better than the government does...

[Byte1]

Every other post seems to be more in line with EV discussion. Of course, now that inflation and gov influence, the price of vehicles and fuel has risen substantially. Everyone seems more intent on proving how efficient EVs are, than facing the real fact that the average Joe cannot afford them. No, a tax credit doesn't do it for those that hardly pay taxes to begin with. On top of that, it still takes too long to charge the batteries sufficient to get from one place to another without taking three times as long (or more). If everyone had an EV then lines at charging stations would be down the street. Of course, another reason/excuse for some to work from home would probably be appreciated, I'm sure. Personally, I find the air quality today much better than it was when I was a child. Sure, that's mostly due to more efficient combustion engines as well as pollution control devices. Battery powered autos were invented in the 1800's and still haven't quite made the big time. Why not? Because of oil companies? OK, I'll give you that. But, that's another reason to think seriously about where we are going to get the elements to produce batteries. Are we going to give China more control? EVs are nice toys for those that have the extra, throw away money. Not so much for the blue collar worker that can barely make their rent payment.
Worried about "warming?" I moved South because it IS warmer. I had no intention on waiting for it to get warmer up North. I am sure I will be long gone before the weather changes enough that I would notice it, other than the normal seasonal cycles. I am sure that man will destroy itself way before the air and temperature quality becomes extreme enough to have any real life changing effect.
Don't tell me how efficient battery power is, because I have replaced (expensively) quite a few batteries (including lithium) in the past few years that I have been using battery powered lawn/landscaping tools and golf cart. My preference for longevity would be fossil fuel powered tools, now looking back.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

37 billion metric tons of Co2 dumped into the atmosphere every year just can't be a good thing over time. I'm sure we can all agree on that. Give a hoot, don't pollute!

Joe

Annual CO2 emissions worldwide 1940-2021 | Statista

Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a drop in the bucket compared to the resiliency of our planet. Maybe it's more raw material for plants to make oxygen and glucose. Maybe it's going to delay the start of the next period of northern hemisphere glaciation. I don't know, neither do you, and neither do the so called expert climatologists, other than we can rest assured what they will say since 90% are on the government payroll in one way or another.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

You have data that shows the seven-year cooling trend? All the scientific literature I've seen does not show this. In fact, it's just the opposite unless you don't believe the New York Times:

Earth’s Last 8 Years Were the Hottest on Record - The New York Times

That story is based on data from NASA and the European Union’s Copernicus Climate Change Service.

Those organizations have no reason to fake their information while there are a lot of Climate Change denier groups funded by fossil fuel companies and others who stand to lose money if the necessary changes are made to combat it.

Just one question----Who in their right mind believes the NY Times???? It's the equivalent of Pravda during the cold war.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Why do people denigrate scientists in an effort to ignore the reality of Climate Change? Guess it makes you feel better that you can go on living life as in the past. It is changing, gradually, but it is getting worse. All you need to do is watch the Weather Channel and stop making excuses or finding different opinions to oppose it. Organizations like NASA are composed of scientists whose life work is to study it. Are you going to believe some politician or academic with a Ph.D. in Marketing being paid to distort the truth?

Stop being irrational and listen to what the scientists are telling us.

What the "scientists" are telling us is that they either directly work for the government, get research grants funded by the government, or need tenure from their university which is subsidized by the government. For whatever reason, the agenda is to promote the myth of anthropogenic climate change. Actually, the reason is most likely the same as it always is----$$$$$. During the 60's , the big bucks were from escalating the war in Vietnam---Boeing, General Dynamics, Bell Helicopter and Haliburton made a killing. I suspect the new frontier is "green economy"---after all, the plan is to spend 100 TRILLION dollars over the next 50 years to combat "climate change". Who will benefit??? Who is already invested??? Can anyone spell Solyndra?????? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Meanwhile, the "scientists" are going to continue to be the stooges for the powers that be, since to go against "the agenda" is committing professional suicide.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Just one question----Who in their right mind believes the NY Times???? It's the equivalent of Pravda during the cold war.

You watch too much faux news who just settled with Dominion for $787.5 billion for lying.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

You watch too much faux news who just settled with Dominion for $787.5 billion for lying.

The only faux news I see is the NY Times, WAPO, and their minions

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a drop in the bucket compared to the resiliency of our planet. Maybe it's more raw material for plants to make oxygen and glucose. Maybe it's going to delay the start of the next period of northern hemisphere glaciation. I don't know, neither do you, and neither do the so called expert climatologists, other than we can rest assured what they will say since 90% are on the government payroll in one way or another.

As you say, "MAYBE". But not positivel.