[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

If you have a source that CO2 emissions are decreasing I would be genuinely interested in seeing it.

Joe

Well, truth be told there is a device that reduces pollution drastically..........it is called an E-vehicle or E-bike. Buy one and BE THE CHANGE needed!

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Well that's interesting since he is quoted as saying, "Regarding climate change he says: 'Denying out and out that climate change is a problem for humanity, as some cynics do, is an unethical, unacceptable position.'"

Seems like he may have taken exception to the cure (at least in the 2010 timeframe where your info came from) but he doesn't deny the disease.

Notice how the all-knowing Wiki ignored the "wealth" quote.

[SallyB]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

This guy?

funny

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=Hoosierb4;2208148]

Originally Posted by ithos

It's not quite so simple. Considering that typical gas powered vehicles are only about 20% efficient in powering cars and that electric vehicles are near 80% efficient, the numbers favor the electric vehicles, even with today's electric generation system....and that system is getting more efficient all the time.

I am NOT responsible for that 1st quote.
But, I do agree with the post. Good job!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

Notice how the all-knowing Wiki ignored the "wealth" quote.

No, but I notice how you ignored the denier quote.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

"If" is not a very positive word.
Sort of a maybe, possibly, or could be, not an "It is," is it?

It is NOT positive that animal and plant species are dying due to Global Warming. Last summers KILLER hurricanes hitting Florida were NOT very positive. It is NOT positive that there is very little monetary encouragement to buy an E-vehicle even though American car manufacturers see a large NEED by 2030.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Hoosierb4

Just google gas powered vehicle efficiency vs electric vehicle efficiency and you should get plenty of sources. Another way of comparing efficiencies is to look at the cost. According to energysage.com, the cost per mile for gas is about 3 times as much as for electricity to charge yur batteries. That reflects the difference in efficiency. Again, it's not even that simple. What you correctly imply is that you need to do a "total environmental warming impact" study (TEWI). I've done a few. But, they take a lot of work and I'm retired now, so won't be doing one here.

Thanks for a VERY informative post. Statements like that need to be repeated. Group understanding WILL eventually happen.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Oh, so the NASA scientists are silly idiots making it up? Don't you think they already know far more than you and the politicians about the geological history of the planet? Sounds more like you're one of those with their heads in the sand. Whatever. When people are invested emotionally in something, nothing can change their minds.

My sentiments exactly.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

UN IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhofer, said climate change policy is an illusion -- and it's all about global wealth distribution. But go ahead and eat bugs if that makes you feel better.

Well, global wealth distribution is a factor in Global Warming. 3rd world countries are producing a limited amount o CO2 pollution because, OBVIOUSLY, they can NOT afford automobiles with their infernal combustion engines. They don't pay people to cut their grass with noise and CO2-polluting engines. They use donkeys instead of polluting farm tractors. And they use row and sail boats not 100 ft long SPORT yachts.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

No, but I notice how you ignored the denier quote.

Doesn't matter. What matters is that there is no "man-made" climate change. If you truly believe that to be true, then tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is NOT positive that animal and plant species are dying due to Global Warming. Last summers KILLER hurricanes hitting Florida were NOT very positive. It is NOT positive that there is very little monetary encouragement to buy an E-vehicle even though American car manufacturers see a large NEED by 2030.

Do you actually understand what you are on about?
'cos I lost it in the translation from gobbledygook!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

Doesn't matter. What matters is that there is no "man-made" climate change. If you truly believe that to be true, then tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

Haha! YOU used the quote to support YOUR assertion of no climate change yet the person YOU quoted will tell you that YOUR position is unethical and unacceptable. And just like that, it doesn't matter. (very similar to how the data you champion contradicts the trend you assert)

A scientist will tell you there is no way to attribute a one-year change to anything; there are simply too many factors to say this much came from solar activity, this much came from volcanic activity, this much came from CO2, etc. Someone who understood weather and climate and climate change would never pose such a question.... yet you do.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Haha! YOU used the quote to support YOUR assertion of no climate change yet the person YOU quoted will tell you that YOUR position is unethical and unacceptable. And just like that, it doesn't matter. (very similar to how the data you champion contradicts the trend you assert)

A scientist will tell you there is no way to attribute a one-year change to anything; there are simply too many factors to say this much came from solar activity, this much came from volcanic activity, this much came from CO2, etc. Someone who understood weather and climate and climate change would never pose such a question.... yet you do.

If you truly believe that "man" is causing global warming, then tell me ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Great is not willing to say -- can you?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Haha! YOU used the quote to support YOUR assertion of no climate change yet the person YOU quoted will tell you that YOUR position is unethical and unacceptable. And just like that, it doesn't matter. (very similar to how the data you champion contradicts the trend you assert)

A scientist will tell you there is no way to attribute a one-year change to anything; there are simply too many factors to say this much came from solar activity, this much came from volcanic activity, this much came from CO2, etc. Someone who understood weather and climate and climate change would never pose such a question.... yet you do.

Originally Posted by sounding

If you truly believe that "man" is causing global warming, then tell me ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Great is not willing to say -- can you?

Suggest you read the reply you are quoting.

Who is Great?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, it was a record amount. It has been record HEAT all over the globe for the last 8 years. And the predictions are to continue increasing for as many as 30 years into the future. The only hope is for governments to support the purchasing of E- vehicles and bicycles.
........Don't take my word - verify it with the book "The New Climate War" by climatologist Dr. Michael Mann of the U. of Pennsylvania.