[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

I don't know what training or degree in science you might have but that is in its entirety a load of manure.
You chose to answer a serious question with your complete lack of knowledge on display.

There are standards for temperature taking. It is true that the landscape around the thermometer can impact the reading, and the amount of said impact can be determined and corrected. Of course certain elements then scream about how scientists are altering data when in fact they are correcting data.

As to how many of the catastrophes have occurred... maybe you'll be more specific about what you think you've been warned about vs what Fox News lied to you about what the science has predicted.

I am so tired of hearing about the ice age predicted in the 70s. If you want the truth you could read this article from the Bulletin of the American Meterological Society titled : THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS

In that article you might learn that of peer reviewed studies published between 1965 and 1979 only 10% predicted future cooling, 28 % took no stance and 62% predicted global warming.

Meanwhile 2023 was the hottest year on record ever. Not even close.
The hottest 10 years ever recorded are each of the last ten. No year before 2014 had a higher average temperature than every single year since 2014.

The oceans are the great pool for absorbing heat, The oceans trap over 90% of the energy of heating of the earth. Global sea temperatures are at their highest level ever and rising.

Climatology was in its infancy in the 1960s to 1980s. No supercomputers, no longer term models, no sets of satellite data.

I present two graphs. One is the land temperature data the other the ocean data. As predicted but more than predicted the upward curves continue.

There are people here who love to joke about how cold it is today as if weather equals climate. And spew "what about the dinosaurs" But the truth is the globe is heating rapidly. It is heating because of the changes to our atmosphere caused by human activity overwhelming involving fossil fuels.

Thanks, for "keeping it real"!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by frayedends

None of this matters. Even if global warming is real and human caused there is currently not a viable replacement for fossil fuels. Every policy the government proposes is designed to drain our pockets and not really help the environment. That is the reason so many of us are skeptical and dismissive of the climate fear mongering. Regardless of improvement in data gathering, the end game is the same. Tax us to death and spread our wealth to politicians.

So you can all save your time with posting charts and graphs. None of us want a climate catastrophe and we all want a clean environment. But unless your suggestions actually help reduce pollution your debates will continue to fall on deaf ears.

The solution is not super difficult. The 1st world countries need to encourage more electric vehicles to be purchased and less fossil fuel vehicles. The 1st world countries need to stop immigration from the 3rd world countries by payments and trade with them including building factories there. Nuclear reactors are safer now and should be built by the 1st world countries.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by frayedends

On one hand he argues we had no good data prior to 1980. On the other he presents graphs with data back to the 1800s to prove his point.

Post #25 is like a GOLD standard to explain fully and in detail all ANYONE needs to know about Global Warming. Seldom in TOTV will you find that kind of clarity and expertise. Why argue and spin the wheels........merely read post #25 with an open mind.
......Perhaps opening of the mind in even so little of a mental exercise as REALLY reading post #25 is too frightening to the preconceived ideas of many people........perhaps that asks too much.....perhaps ACCEPTING REAL knowledge is TOO difficult and not as much fun as speculating, using intuition, and above all........resisting opinion changing at all costs!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

It matters immensely. If you care about the survival of our species.
There are suggestions. But suggestions only have value if they can be implemented. To be implemented we need to get the understanding of what is at stake to 8 billion people in over 200 countries around the world. Each with their own political situation and religious beliefs. Those who don't like the message, for what ever reason, search for alternatives that give them some comfort, like a person facing cancer with surgery, chemo and radiation treatments decides to go to a carnival faith healer. The truth falls on "deaf ears", willfully deaf ears. And time is wasted as the clock for the world and the cancer patient continues to run.

Agreed.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Yes relax -- it's all a hoax anyway. There is no observational proof of "man-made" global warming, but there is proof of decreasing severe weather and increasing greening of earth.

If the earth was "greening" so much (whatever that means) then why are there hoards of people from a South America where crops can't grow (due to excessive HEAT) - invading our southern border? Global Warming has destroyed quality farmland.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

If it's real, then tell me how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year.

For anyone REALLY paying attention, they would KNOW that scientists are trying to come up with CARBON CAPTURE (CO2) mechanisms or ways to get CO2 out of the upper atmosphere so that the reflected HEAT from the sun is NOT then bounced off that upper atmosphere to return to the Earth. Scientists are trying to come up with such methods because they know that the 1st world population will be SLOW to give up their fossil fueled vehicles for Electric ones.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

In 2004 we took an Alaskan cruise and went to the Mendenhall glacier. Went back 2 years ago and it clearly was a lot smaller. Went into Visitor Center and saw pictures which were taken in 2004 and showed the same size that we saw. Not going to discuss cause but this and other objective information is showing that we live in a warmer climate. Will never affect current generation, but will affect generations in the future.

The HEAT has already killed about 60% of ALL coral reefs. Read post #25 which states that the last 10 years are the warmest in recorded HISTORY. Last summer's HEAT in the US killed many people in states like Arizona and Texas. And WHY do you think that all the illegals are heading northward toward the US. Some of them will be criminals and killers.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Did "man" cause the warming that allowed trees to grow under the Mendenhall ice?

Man does cause Global Warming primarily through the excessive use of fossil fuels. That is why the last 10 years are the warmest on record. Please read and re-read post #25.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by frayedends

Well nothing bad I can see on the surface of that. Of course, we need farmland. But it would be better if we were grazing our cattle in native grasses instead of factory grain farming. But it certainly doesn't help when these celebrities lecture us while flying private jets and owning multiple mansions. Interesting link. I'll have to read through it some more.

I saw a short documentary recently on reversing desertification of lands by grazing cattle. It was really interesting. These are the things I'm a fan of. Stuff that works for everyone. What I'm not a fan of is government mandating we decrease our standard of living to line their pockets with bull**** like carbon credits or EV mandates.

Cattle are one of the most INEFFICIENT ways to produce protein. Pure land waste.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Don't try to confuse these global warming alarmist cultists with the facts, just let them babble on.......

And guess what?--eventually they will be right---about 40,000 years from now due to the NATURAL repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have been occurring over the last 4.5 million years, ALL WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM HUMANS.

95 % of all Climate Scientists believe in Global Warming. So they ALL must be "babbling".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You know that just because Al Gore said whatever in whenever has next to nothing to do with what scientists in 2024 are writing.

Al Gore was AHEAD of his time. The Oil and Gas industrial complex did NOT want to do what was RIGHT for America. They wanted to keep their profits and high status. So, Al Gore was a threat to them and had to be taken down!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

95 % of all Climate Scientists believe in Global Warming. So they ALL must be "babbling".

So you go back and quote my post #55 but ignore post #79 that explains exactly why those scientists are babbling. It’s called professional survival

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I wonder, do they consider golf courses as habitable or inhabitable in that calculation?

JJ, it's habitable oruninhabitable. And, most golf courses would certainly be habitable. Easy to turn into housing or factories or farms. It sounds like heresy in TV, but golf is not indispensable for life. WI golf!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

It gets old. You post something but offer absolutely nothing in explanation of how it relates to global warming. Here you posted a chart showing maximum temperature for one moment in a given year. That is weather not climate and you know it. The question is not did Tulsa have the single hottest minute compared to other years. It is did Tulsa have a higher average temperature looking at every minute of the year. Or you could post Did Tulsa have more days over 90 than usual or did it have fewer days below 20. Instead you posted information that is disinformation.

Your attempt to confuse the issue is the best proof that you've got no evidence, just a pseudo scientific belief that you must continue to feed.

I agree. And I can't understand the MOTIVATION to go against the 95 or so percent of the REAL Climate Scientists. The greater summer HEAT of the last 10 years has caused social problems, like unnecessary deaths, more crime, and inefficient outdoor working and recreation conditions. It is indisputable that the oceans are rising. That alone should scare many people into buying electric vehicles.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Al Gore was AHEAD of his time. The Oil and Gas industrial complex did NOT want to do what was RIGHT for America. They wanted to keep their profits and high status. So, Al Gore was a threat to them and had to be taken down!

Al Gore was, is, and always will be a complete idiot. Or am I mistaken in believing our polar ice caps did not completely disappear in 2010?