[Easyrider]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

Had electrics for 15 years. Never had these problems. Who is going to drop a wrench on their battery terminal. Their are cart rugs available to catch any leakage of acid whic has been minimal. Sounds like scare tactics to me.

No one ever had these problems until the first time it happens. One explosion is too many and it's not scare tactics at all as many do have accidents with tools, and overfilling batteries. Just needs to be fair and balanced as they say, never saw one electric cart owner ever mention or acknowledge this as a problem for electric carts nor mention you need a blanket to catch the battery acid..there are no rugs in driveways.
I actually like them both for different reasons. Not a cheerleader for either but don't want to see my gas cart which I like bashed when what is being said is totally incorrect.

[Easyrider]

[quote=jimbo2012;770845]You can't get rust stains from an Club Car, they don't have steel, all aluminum.
So that is statement is incorrect.

IT IS CORRECT, the stains come from the excess battery acid dropping onto the concrete not rust from the cart. Drive over to Mallory and take a look for yourself.

http://www.theruststore.com/Battery-...te-W57C36.aspx

Stains left from battery acid on concrete, brick, driveways, and sidewalks, will look like a rust stain (reddish-orange in color), but in fact they are burns caused by the acid in the battery.

Most strong acids like battery acid will actually discolor (or “burn”) the concrete when not neutralized within a short time of the spill. These sorts of stains tend to look like brown-orange, puddle-shaped areas on the driveway. The stain is often quite deep, and no products on the market today will satisfactorily remove this orange stain once it been on the cement for an extended amount of time. Too often, pressure washers are used to blast the surface clean when attempting to remove rust stains, which amounts to peeling off a deep layer of the concrete to expose a surface that is less stained. This is not doing the customer any favors they would probably prefer the rust stain!

Further gas carts also have a battery

Gas carts have a single battery that doesn't have to be refilled and charged over and over and over which cause the spills and boil overs.

Gas carts have had leaking fuel tank recalls search Google

Possibly could happen, one in a million, ha ha

Batteries exploding what one in a million....

If you are that one it really won't matter about the others.



Agree, Easyrider loves gas carts all his posts are like that, others like myself like Elec, we all make different choices.

I'm not trying to sell anything so I can be totally objective as I have nothing to gain.

Just make an informed decision. Hold your breath when driving thru tunnels

[/Really, if this is the only problem it isn't much...as opposed to wondering if I will make it back home quote]

[jimbo2012]

[quote=Easyrider;771026]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

You can't get rust stains from an Club Car, they don't have steel, all aluminum.
So that is statement is incorrect.

IT IS CORRECT,

well not really, rust is one thing battery acid is another.
I think you may have meant it looks like a rust stain.


but as you said "Stains left from battery acid on concrete, brick, driveways, and sidewalks, will look like a rust stain (reddish-orange in color), but in fact they are burns caused by the acid in the battery. "

Rust is composed of iron oxides, not present in a battery

bottom line is such a stain shouldn't happen and in likely does not to normally maintained cart.

But if it did Pour chlorine bleach into a spray bottle. Spray affected area until completely covered and let it set for a five minutes. Scrub battery acid stains with a hard bristle brush. If the stain remains, spray on another application of bleach and let it set longer.

No more stain, this is not a reason not buy a elec cart IMO.

HOw about the gas that goes on the ground when you fill up your cart or on the under Carrier, nothing is perfect.

Further gas carts also have a battery

Gas carts have a single battery that doesn't have to be refilled and charged over and over and over which cause the spills and boil overs.

Sure they do as well as car batteries, it happens.

the only problem it isn't much...as opposed to wondering if I will make it back home

You made that statement before, there is the same risk gar or elec, if you don't look at the gas gauge in a gas cart or the battery gauge in an elec.

The % of charge will tell you how many miles to go on an elec as a gas gauge.

One last point "what about your carbon footprint"

Elec wins hands down, much better greener than gas.

[Easyrider]

[QUOTE=jimbo2012;771113
bottom line is such a stain shouldn't happen and in likely does not to normally maintained cart.

But if it did Pour chlorine bleach into a spray bottle. Spray affected area until completely covered and let it set for a five minutes. Scrub battery acid stains with a hard bristle brush. If the stain remains, spray on another application of bleach and let it set longer.]

Apparently there are not many normally maintained electric carts in the Villages from all the acid burns in the concrete at Mallory....every parking spot...

Might need to invest in a haz. mat. suit too....if you plan on cleaning the stains..chlorine bleach on battery acid, followed by muriatic acid, and then baking soda..

How do you capture and where do you dispose of the water used to rinse all this off?

How to Remove Battery Acid Stains from Concrete?
Answer
Battery acid stains on concrete can be removed by; wear protective gloves, remove or sweep all dirt. Spray the area with chlorine bleach, scrub the area and remove the water using a pipe. Add muriatic acid; pour baking soda over the treated area to kill the chlorine. Take the dirty water to the appropriate place.

[tab04]

I have a 2008 GEM with hard doors and heater defroster which makes it perfect for the Villages in the cooler winter months. The doors come off for the Summer heat. The batteries are the original from 2008 and have over 6000 miles on them. It has gel batteries that do not leak and I get over 24 safe miles on 80% capacity. I would now go for the optional nine (9) 8volt battery conversion to get double the range if buying new or down the road for replacement. The dealer comes every month to the GEM CLUB meeting here in the Villages and gives great support to the owners.

I travel from St James to the VA Mulberry Clinic and back charge for four hours and go out to a Square that night with a side trip to the mailbox. I highly recommend the GEM to anyone but caution that you have to remember to keep it plugged in if you have a bad memory you should buy gas. You can leave it unattended for up to 6 months plugged in and its ready to go when your back in the Villages.

[genobambino]

Easyrider sounds like a salesman at the Yamaha store. I have a 2012 EZGO with that A/C electric motor and 8 6 volt batteries, it never slows up even when the batteries get a little low, like the other electrics. We have driven from one end of The Villages to the other and back and still had plenty of battery left. Look under the front end of some of these carts and compare the front suspension, the EZGO is at least twice as heavy duty...just look for yourself.. I also have a Club Car gas, I couldn't believe the difference. I'm seriously thinking of selling my Club Car and getting another electric EZGO.

[genobambino]

Electric is the future, just look at all the automobiles on the street. I hold my breath every time I go in a tunnel so I don't have to breath the noxious gas fumes.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by genobambino

Electric is the future, just look at all the automobiles on the street. I hold my breath every time I go in a tunnel so I don't have to breath the noxious gas fumes.

What do you do about all of the pollution caused by coal trains and the noise they create?

Do yourself a favor and google coal train facts or something similar and you will be able to educate yourself on the noxious air you are more than likely breathing constantly and the noise levels created so that electric may be produced.

If your electricity isn't coming directly from the sun or wind or water, it's most likely adding to air and noise pollution so a little smell in a tunnel is nothing compared to the elephant in the room.

Probably the best evaluator for your Dad to select a cart, Bay Kid, is his age. If your Dad is in his very early seventies or younger, electric may be fine. If your Dad is 74 or older, go gas, IMHO. You will not have to worry about Dad or Mom making mistakes in the maintenance of an electric due to memory issues and believe me, this issue will appear. You will then have the added responsibility of daily maintenance for their safety.

With a gas cart, daily maintenance is much lower.

[Easyrider]

Originally Posted by genobambino

Easyrider sounds like a salesman at the Yamaha store. I have a 2012 EZGO with that A/C electric motor and 8 6 volt batteries, it never slows up even when the batteries get a little low, like the other electrics. We have driven from one end of The Villages to the other and back and still had plenty of battery left. Look under the front end of some of these carts and compare the front suspension, the EZGO is at least twice as heavy duty...just look for yourself.. I also have a Club Car gas, I couldn't believe the difference. I'm seriously thinking of selling my Club Car and getting another electric EZGO.

I am not selling anything and that's the point. Got to try to counter all those trying to sell electric to the unwary for whatever reason. Doesn't matter to me what anyone uses but it is amusing watching some claim electric is better than gas because they have an electric and want to believe they made the better choice. Gas carts outnumber electric many times over in the Villages and that pretty much says it all..

[Easyrider]

Originally Posted by genobambino

Electric is the future, just look at all the automobiles on the street. I hold my breath every time I go in a tunnel so I don't have to breath the noxious gas fumes.

So just how many totally all electric cars are out there on the street? Just why do all those hybrids also have a gas engine? So they can get home when the electric runs out or quits...

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Easyrider

Gas carts outnumber electric many times over in the Villages and that pretty much says it all..

You may want to check your facts on that, more like 40% elec.

Perhaps since their so quiet you don't know they are there

Originally Posted by Easyrider

How to Remove Battery Acid Stains from Concrete?
Answer
Battery acid stains on concrete can be removed by; wear protective gloves, remove or sweep all dirt. Spray the area with chlorine bleach, scrub the area and remove the water using a pipe. Add muriatic acid; pour baking soda over the treated area to kill the chlorine. Take the dirty water to the appropriate place.[/B]

you have to be kidding right?

Any alleged battery acid is tiny droplets at most, stop exaggerating things you have little knowledge of please.

There is more chlorine in a pool than you're taking about......

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Easyrider

I am not selling anything and that's the point. Got to try to counter all those trying to sell electric to the unwary for whatever reason. Doesn't matter to me what anyone uses but it is amusing watching some claim electric is better than gas because they have an electric and want to believe they made the better choice. Gas carts outnumber electric many times over in the Villages and that pretty much says it all..

Not from what I see. I see at least as many electrics as gas in the Villages. The Villages Golf Cart Store will tell that they sell far more gas than electrics. That is not surprising because Yamaha makes the best gas cart by far. That combined with the fact that The Villages Golf Cart Store has three prime locations in the Villages and is rumored to have some kind of deal with the developer would account for so many gas carts. Even with the odds stacked against them, there are still a lot of electric carts here.

By the way, how did a thread about which ELECTRIC cart to buy degenerate into a thread about which is better, gas or electric?

Why is it that people that own and like gas feel the need to foist their opinion on everyone else?

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Not from what I see. I see at least as many electrics as gas in the Villages. The Villages Golf Cart Store will tell that they sell far more gas than electrics. That is not surprising because Yamaha makes the best gas cart by far. That combined with the fact that The Villages Golf Cart Store has three prime locations in the Villages and is rumored to have some kind of deal with the developer would account for so many gas carts. Even with the odds stacked against them, there are still a lot of electric carts here.

By the way, how did a thread about which ELECTRIC cart to buy degenerate into a thread about which is better, gas or electric?

Why is it that people that own and like gas feel the need to foist their opinion on everyone else?

Ah, Winston, if you read post #8, you will see the OP's father changed his mind and wants a gas cart now, you may want to read the entire thread. There is a newer thread on here now about someone's issues with their used gas golf cart and none other than Golfingnut is telling the OP that his problem was buying a gas cart. Now that may be foisting....

So any help you can provide the OP's father with selecting a gas golf cart may be really appreciated.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Two things I don't get here. I keep hearing people say that gas carts are more difficult to maintain. One of the primary reasons that electrics are preferred by so many golf courses, and many hilly courses were relieved when Club Car first made a cart that would go multiple rounds and they could finally get rid of their gas carts, is that they are much less expensive to maintain. They have fewer moving parts and require less service.

Again, I'm not talking about brand new carts. You probably won't see any kind of maintenance expenses in the first coupe of years with any vehicle.

The second thing I keep hearing is the danger of electric cart batteries. I can't believe that anyone thinks that batteries posed more of a danger than a plastic tank full of gasoline and another full of motor oil.

[Easyrider]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

You may want to check your facts on that, more like 40% elec.

Perhaps since their so quiet you don't know they are there

Kinda like a tree falling in the forest, who knew



you have to be kidding right?

Any alleged battery acid is tiny droplets at most, stop exaggerating things you have little knowledge of please.

There is more chlorine in a pool than you're taking about......

Not being able to realize what we don't know is a dangerous thing. Take a look at the parking spots at Mallory Country Club and see all the battery acid stains/burns for yourself and decide if you want that on your driveway and garage floor..

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