[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Seen at Havana, yesterday.

Florida Statutes §320.01(22) defines a golf cart as: “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.”

How can anyone possibly argue, this vehicle is "manufactured ... for sporting or recreational purposes"?

It was designed and manufactured to move people.

When was the last time you saw a vehicle like this, operating on a golf course, outside The Villages?

(Just anecdotally, but since I've been back TV on October 3rd, I've encountered 97 "4 passenger carts" while driving around (yes, I've been counting). On 4 of the 97, there have been more than (2) people in the cart.)

Originally Posted by asianthree

I thought the thread was "how is this a golf cart" and why I refuse to play golf with those who own the carts I don't approve as a golf cart

The original post is above.

I wrote it and read it a few times.

Perhaps you can point out where it says anything about "why I refuse to play golf with those who own the carts I don't approve as a golf cart" ?

Facts matter.

[FredMitchell]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

...

Florida Statutes §320.01(22) defines a golf cart as: “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.” ...

I suspect that as many as 49 other states and countless dictionaries have different definitions. That definition is also not explicitly exclusive - only inclusive.

The definition is flawed as well. On a steep enough and long enough hill, anything that you think of as a golf cart could easily exceed 20 mph.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by brianl99

i just refused to play with them, so you would be wrong.




People want to ignore reality, when it doesn't suit their purposes.

#33..

Originally Posted by super cindy

so, when you get paired up with someone in a 4-seater are you going to give them the what-for, i don't think you have the backbone to do that. You just hide behind your keyboard.

#31.........

[nhkim]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Seen at Havana, yesterday.

Florida Statutes §320.01(22) defines a golf cart as: “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.”

How can anyone possibly argue, this vehicle is "manufactured ... for sporting or recreational purposes"?

It was designed and manufactured to move people.

When was the last time you saw a vehicle like this, operating on a golf course, outside The Villages?

(Just anecdotally, but since I've been back TV on October 3rd, I've encountered 97 "4 passenger carts" while driving around (yes, I've been counting). On 4 of the 97, there have been more than (2) people in the cart.)

I'm just curious. Why is this so bothersome to you that you feel the need to (a) post it on social media and (b) keep a tally? If you're concerned about the law not keeping up with reality, then you should contact your state legislators. No one on this forum can change the law or enforce some violation that you're perceiving.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by nhkim

I'm just curious. Why is this so bothersome to you that you feel the need to (a) post it on social media and (b) keep a tally? If you're concerned about the law not keeping up with reality, then you should contact your state legislators. No one on this forum can change the law or enforce some violation that you're perceiving.

It has nothing to do with the Legislature. It has to do with management of the MMP's, which is entirely within the purview of the District and the Developer ... not the legislature.

Don't you think the safety of residents of The Villages and the management of the MMP's is of interest to the folks who live here?

Go get yourself a 4 passenger, forward faciing cart and try to drive around the round-about, next to the starter shack at Cherry Hill/Laurel Valley at Palmer Legends ... or the round-about near Laurel Manor ... or go through the Saddlebrook Tunnel ... or across most of the golf cart bridges.

The MMP system was simply not designed for carts with a longer wheelbase than a traditional golf cart. It's not speculation, criticism or anything such as that ... it was a conscious design criteria when The Villages was created.

There's a reason why interstate highways have wider lanes than the residential streets in The Villages ... the interstates were designed for every day use, by vehicles larger than automobiles. Same story with the MMP system. They were designed for a specific use.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by asianthree

I thought the thread was "how is this a golf cart" and why I refuse to play golf with those who own the carts I don't approve as a golf cart

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The original post is above.

I wrote it and read it a few times.

Perhaps you can point out where it says anything about "why I refuse to play golf with those who own the carts I don't approve as a golf cart" ?

Facts matter.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Seen at Havana, yesterday.

Florida Statutes §320.01(22) defines a golf cart as: “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.”

How can anyone possibly argue, this vehicle is "manufactured ... for sporting or recreational purposes"?

It was designed and manufactured to move people.

When was the last time you saw a vehicle like this, operating on a golf course, outside The Villages?

....)

Originally Posted by asianthree

#33..

#31.........

I'm not sure how Post #31 or #33 or #75 changes the subject matter of the thread. The original question remains ... "is this a golf cart" ... for purposes of the MMP's?

It's apparently a question being discussed by the District and a sub-committee they have tasked with this exact question. Has anyone attended any of the sub-committee meetings?

[COLTempleton]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Seen at Havana, yesterday.

Florida Statutes §320.01(22) defines a golf cart as: “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.”

How can anyone possibly argue, this vehicle is "manufactured ... for sporting or recreational purposes"?

It was designed and manufactured to move people.

When was the last time you saw a vehicle like this, operating on a golf course, outside The Villages?

(Just anecdotally, but since I've been back TV on October 3rd, I've encountered 97 "4 passenger carts" while driving around (yes, I've been counting). On 4 of the 97, there have been more than (2) people in the cart.)

We don't drive golf carts, we drive golf cars.

[GaryJPalys]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Seen at Havana, yesterday.

Florida Statutes §320.01(22) defines a golf cart as: “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.”

How can anyone possibly argue, this vehicle is "manufactured ... for sporting or recreational purposes"?

It was designed and manufactured to move people.

When was the last time you saw a vehicle like this, operating on a golf course, outside The Villages?

(Just anecdotally, but since I've been back TV on October 3rd, I've encountered 97 "4 passenger carts" while driving around (yes, I've been counting). On 4 of the 97, there have been more than (2) people in the cart.)

Some silly fella put a golf club bag on the back!

Seriously though, we don't golf, but when we move to TV in the spring, we're buying two golf carts... A two seater for our everyday cruising around, and a four forward seater for when family come a' knockin'!

[Maker]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

... Go get yourself a 4 passenger, forward faciing cart and try to drive around the round-about, next to the starter shack at Cherry Hill/Laurel Valley at Palmer Legends ... or the round-about near Laurel Manor ... or go through the Saddlebrook Tunnel ... or across most of the golf cart bridges.

The MMP system was simply not designed for carts with a longer wheelbase than a traditional golf cart. It's not speculation, criticism or anything such as that ... it was a conscious design criteria when The Villages was created...

Please go ask the developer why they sell the exact type of carts you say don't belong here in their Golf Car stores.
They - and their legal team - obviously think those carts are just fine.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

It has nothing to do with the Legislature. It has to do with management of the MMP's, which is entirely within the purview of the District and the Developer ... not the legislature.

Don't you think the safety of residents of The Villages and the management of the MMP's is of interest to the folks who live here?

Go get yourself a 4 passenger, forward faciing cart and try to drive around the round-about, next to the starter shack at Cherry Hill/Laurel Valley at Palmer Legends ... or the round-about near Laurel Manor ... or go through the Saddlebrook Tunnel ... or across most of the golf cart bridges.

The MMP system was simply not designed for carts with a longer wheelbase than a traditional golf cart. It's not speculation, criticism or anything such as that ... it was a conscious design criteria when The Villages was created.

There's a reason why interstate highways have wider lanes than the residential streets in The Villages ... the interstates were designed for every day use, by vehicles larger than automobiles. Same story with the MMP system. They were designed for a specific use.

Okay. So they were designed to accommodate 2-passenger standard-build golf carts. Cool story, bro.

Some folks will use other similar-but-not-the-same vehicles. MMPs are private property, not public roads, and not subject to the same rules and regulations as public roads. The police have limited authority on them, and Community Watch can't arrest or fine anyone.

So what's your solution?

[mermaids]

With some of the close calls I've seen between golf carts and cars I'd love to see heavy gauge roll bars on golf carts. If that's possible, please sign me up!

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Some people come here every day to stir up conflict. I don't even know how they have time to play golf.

Truth bomb

[TheVillageGlossator]

Originally Posted by COLTempleton

We don't drive golf carts, we drive golf cars.

Yes, the term golf car is correct, but not everyone here drives golf cars.

District Management defines Golf Cars as LSVs and statutory golf carts.

Florida statute defines Golf Cart. (Max speed 20mph)

Florida statute defines LSV. (Max speed 21mph - 25mph) Also must also meet applicable federal safety standards and Florida registration requirements.

The American National Standards Institute (ANSI) through a standard developed by the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI) defines Personal Transportation Vehicle (PTV).

If your “golf car” can exceed 20 mph, it isn’t legally a golf cart. It’s a PTV, and unless it qualifies as an authorized LSV, it doesn’t belong on the multimodal paths.

[LenoxHillLil]

Originally Posted by COLTempleton

We don't drive golf carts, we drive golf cars.

Yes that is the official legal term. A golf cart is a 2 wheel thing you push or pull by hand.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by COLTempleton

We don't drive golf carts, we drive golf cars.

Originally Posted by LenoxHillLil

Yes that is the official legal term. A golf cart is a 2 wheel thing you push or pull by hand.

Florida law disagrees with you & facts matter.