[Kerry Azz]

Speculation? I guess that’s what happens when all residents at the meeting opposed approval of putting apartments there. That was the sleaziest deal ever!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Apparent? And you know that how?

If you will look around outside the bubble of TV you will see a lot of new apartment complexes being built so apparently there is a need for them. I don't believe there are very many investors that will build an apartment complex and hope someone will rent them without some research to see if it is feasible. The Lofts at Brownwood were rented out before they were finished so apparently there is a demand for them.

As far as golf courses go, after reading so many posts on this forum complaining about proper golf etiquette, poor condition of the greens, and jerk golfers, maybe fewer courses isn't a bad idea.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by rtrav711

This written report reflects the developer projects only the building of "Villas and Homes" and there is no mention of multiple dwellings in the areas built to that point.

Projects is the key word here. Investment counselors make projections all the time but they don't always happen. Because there is no mention of multiple dwellings means nothing, does not say there won't be any. I would bet the "Family" pays for some very smart lawyers and investment advisors so I don't think there going to be anything in this that will bite them in the butt.

[jacksonbrown]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I would bet the "Family" pays for some very smart lawyers and investment advisors so I don't think there going to be anything in this that will bite them in the butt.

One would think, but then, there is the matter of the 45 million dollar lawsuit.

See

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[rtrav711]

The "promises" the developer made...say in 2003...that "attracted buyers"...and "promised buyers"...is what the developer would have to over come. Buyers expected to be in home/villa neighborhoods as the sellers presented and envisioned. They (developers)...committed to doing things that the buyers depended upon... just so they could sell more homes at a higher price; than other developments in the area. It would be difficult.." rather impossible" for the developers to justify a change in their commitment regardless of what law firm represented them. Sales brochures touting such things as "Katie Belle's Resident Dining Club", Entertainment each night, recreation centers, etc....were all promises made to attract home buyers. This will be interesting going forward.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by rtrav711

Sales brochures touting such things as "Katie Belle's Resident Dining Club", Entertainment each night, recreation centers, etc....were all promises made to attract home buyers. This will be interesting going forward.

And what was the Katie B promise???......it will always be open, no matter how much money it's losing??

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by rtrav711

The "promises" the developer made...say in 2003...that "attracted buyers"...and "promised buyers"...is what the developer would have to over come. Buyers expected to be in home/villa neighborhoods as the sellers presented and envisioned. They (developers)...committed to doing things that the buyers depended upon... just so they could sell more homes at a higher price; than other developments in the area. It would be difficult.." rather impossible" for the developers to justify a change in their commitment regardless of what law firm represented them. Sales brochures touting such things as "Katie Belle's Resident Dining Club", Entertainment each night, recreation centers, etc....were all promises made to attract home buyers. This will be interesting going forward.

We have lived here for fifteen years now and we went to Katie Belle's about a half dozen times in the first five years. People lost interest. So when an entity that used to turn a profit doesn't any more, time to change.....which they tried, and then when the change didn't fly, time to stop. Nobody cheated anybody out of anything. I didn't cry over the Buffalo being gone. We live on that field now. When anyone mentions that law suit and the POA, I want to throw up on someone's shoes. I think someone who doesn't like the prevailing success of this place wants to ruin everything.

[PennBF]

Help me understand how people who don't even live in the effected area and occupy homes in what are protected locations stick their nose under the tent of those who allegedly are being economically abused by the Developer/Village Owner? I would no more tell the residents of this area to forget it and just fold their tents since I have no skin in the game. There is a mention of 4 POA Directors putting up their own money for the lawsuit regarding the CC in the Historic Section. They took the risk and supported the actions to restore the CC for the people in the District. There was an award of $40 Million and the judge was moved by these 4 dedicated residents and awarded them $50K each for their willingness to help their neighbors. I see there was a shooting in the new Hotel in Wildwood. This is what is being proposed for the residents in the general area of the new hotel. NET: If you are not impacted by this intrusion into your peaceful life then stay out of it!!!

[PennBF]

I have read some that defame the POA for it's action regarding the $40M lawsuit because the Developer/Village Owner did not put reserve funds aside to make sure the Country Club in the Historic District was kept up. As a result it had rats in its walls, decay etc. The Court/Judge ruled in favor of the POA Lawsuit and demanded the situation be corrected by the Developer/Village Owner. Thus the $40M fine. Why would anyone take exception for the good work the POA does? What is the motivation?

[Patzy]

Yes, you are correct.
As with all large organizations, over time, comfort can breed expanded egos and shifting alliances from neutral or for residents and owners. This has happened with the TV local governing bodies and the County Commissioners.
Several contributing factors: most are 1st generation Villagers on the governing bodies and have developed even at a minimum perceived relationships with the dev.
Now next generation Villagers are coming in and are challenging the status quo. And for good reason. A heavily Marketed TV Lifestyle Brand was presented in many forms, forums, and venues. Lifestyle preview, elaborate sales offices, trolley and boat tours, radio station, and newspaper. And we want it, we accept that we pay more we buy we own, sell our family and friends and then this Lifestyle is taken through backdoor deals.

Ck us out,
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[PennBF]

It is one thing to say someone disagrees with the policy and practices of an organization but to say a person would "throw up on their shoes" is crossing the line. It actually may cause another to express their behavior in that manner. The POA is made up of some very good people who deserve respect even if you disagree with them? Lets hope none take that behavior as appropriate and have higher standards.

[jacksonbrown]

Originally Posted by PennBF

If you are not impacted by this intrusion into your peaceful life then stay out of it!!!

Exactly my sentiments.

But Wait! Maybe those folks are posting under an alias (as we all are )

Originally Posted by Buttrcp123

Was there something so wrong with Hacianda that it couldn't be fixed, but tore down?

There are many profitable restaurants in The Villages and HC could have been one of them. But the developers new vision is high rise apartments so the heck with what was promised in sales literature. So unprofitable HC was just a ruse same as the long gone buffalo. There will be many more ruses so not listen to the developers soothsayers on TOTV.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

We have lived here for fifteen years now and we went to Katie Belle's about a half dozen times in the first five years. People lost interest. So when an entity that used to turn a profit doesn't any more, time to change.....which they tried, and then when the change didn't fly, time to stop. Nobody cheated anybody out of anything. I didn't cry over the Buffalo being gone. We live on that field now. When anyone mentions that law suit and the POA, I want to throw up on someone's shoes. I think someone who doesn't like the prevailing success of this place wants to ruin everything.

Now that I would pay to see. But to address your last sentence; recognizing that "prevailing success" is good for some but can harm others is the first step in your Villages Myopia Syndrome (VMS) recovery.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I’m rather shocked by the comments about the developer here. I thought the vast majority of people in TV were conservatives and that most (all?) conservatives were pro business. Here’s a company that has produced this wonderful community and they are constantly being criticized as being greedy. I don’t get it.

A business that doesn’t make money dies. It cannot afford to fund an operation that doesn’t return a profit. This country club and Katy Belle’s were here to make money for the developer and were, apparently, failing at that. They were not amenities here just for our enjoyment. The developer is not a government.

The “greedy” developer sees that there is a huge demand for living the active lifestyle we have here in TV and they are trying to meet it. The Boomers are retiring in huge numbers. Do you think the “greedy” developers should stop building houses and stop turning unprofitable land into land that can help meet that demand?

Not everyone can afford to own a large home on a lot. Not everyone wants to maintain a yard. Some of us are getting too old to deal with all the maintenance issues associated with living in a single-family home and would like to sell their houses to a younger family and move into a maintenance-free apartment. Do you want to force them to move out of TV where their friends are? Apartments are a benefit to the community. Yes, building them on top of a single-family neighborhood is unfortunate, but what else do you think they should do with that land that can actually turn a profit.

Instead of whining about this, how about making suggestions of things they can do with that land that is actually profitable.

Suggestions box is closed, it apartments, now the issue is how much intrusion on the golf course?

I imagine you don’t live on HH golf course which when built was tooted as premier CC and premium homes on golf course. If it don’t affect me I don’t care attitude. That’s why they get away with it.