[Crazyladycruz]

Agreed! I am living proof!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

The band will now play!
.......Poison ivy....eeee , , , , poson ivy....eeee
bees will make you lumpy
overeating will make you t-----
.......But, poison ivy lone will make you itch
Poison ivy.....eeeeee , , , , poison ivy.....eeeee
you gonna need an ocean
...........of calamine lotion
Poison ivy....eeee , , , , poison ivy......eeee
........you can look
............but you better NOT touch

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

You keep avoiding the question

You have made two assertions in this thread without providing any cites whatsoever:

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

THEY ARE NOT CARRYING IT AT ALL

Both these statements are totally bogus. The CDC does not agree with these statements. Again, why did CDC reverse course and tell fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors?? Just for fun?

I am not cherry picking data, the reason the data is sparse is because the CDC stoped reporting breakthough cases months ago. We only have data from some states and cities that report this correctly as well as countries like Israel.

We know that breakthrough cases are climbing everywhere it's been measured, like Los Angeles. The CDC knows this and also knows that fully vaccinated people spread the virus and a good percentage of breakthrough cases are symptomatic.

Why is CDC suppressing this data? In their own words:

Vaccine breakthrough cases may reduce public confidence in vaccines

Thats just one of a number of leaked CDC presentation slides that the Washington Post uncovered July 29.

Here are a few more CDC slide headlines:

Increasing percentage of vaccinated persons among those hospitalized in COVID-NET

Delta variant vaccine breakthrough cases may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases.

Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing
infection or transmission – Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite vaccination.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...827155.#page=1

OMG, do I have to spoon feed this AGAIN

The "they are not carrying it at all" was a conditional statement in response to the assertion that vaccinated people were carrying it 74% ​of the time , gleaned from cherry picked data. Note context next time please.

The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases because it was meaningless. The original strain had a breakthrough rate of 0.07%, they stopped counting before delta emerged, but I'll go out on a limb and state it is pretty low and NOT 74%.

The anti-vaxxers on this site keep referring to "viral load". Unfortunately, based on the content of their posts, they have absolutely no idea what viral load means or how it relates to the transmission of COVID

But, as I already posted, the breakthrough rate will continue to rise as immunity wanes over time. I think I summarized this matter simply enough for it to be understood, but I've thought that before and well............

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

The percentage of people vaccinated who carry a viral load is "most likely" many times what is reported. Assuming the claim that the vaccine makes for very mild or even asymptomatic cases, the probability that many positive vaccinated covid Delta carriers are unaware.

All the more reason for vulnerable people to protect themselves with N95 masks when they are out and about.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

where?

I sent you a PM.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by biker1

Apparently you can't use a search engine. Here you go:

COVID-19 Vaccines for Moderately to Severely Immunocompromised People | CDC

Watch the news for final FDA approval for a booster shot for those over 65 (without being immunocompromised).

Thanks. I do use the Google search engine all the time and have posted countless links on this forum but I think you already know that. I will continue to watch the news for the latest on booster shots.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

Wow. Hope you never need help down the road. SMH.

I trust the vaccine to keep me out of the hospital, hence, I will not die of Covid. The best case scenario is that I will be asymptomatic if I contract Covid. That is what I trust the vaccine to do for me. I've been fully vaccinated with Moderna and will get the booster as soon as it is available to me.

Having said that, how long are we supposed to continue to wear masks to protect the vulnerable? One more year, another two years, maybe five years? I'm just not going to do it. Sorry. There is now a very effective treatment with the monoclonal antibodies as long as the person seeks treatment as soon as they become symptomatic.

So....will say again. I'm done masking to protect others. I did that religiously for a year and a half and I was the most outspoken proponent of Universal Masking on this forum. If you weren't around back then, just ask others who were.

[biker1]

And yet you were incapable of doing a simple search to find out the current status of booster shots but find the time to keep making the same posts day in and day out.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Thanks. I do use the Google search engine all the time and have posted countless links on this forum but I think you already know that. I will continue to watch the news for the latest on booster shots.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by biker1

And yet you were incapable of doing a simple search to find out the current status of booster shots but find the time to keep making the same posts day in and day out.

It was a MSM news source that reported as of Sept. 20th everyone over the age of 65 could get a booster shot, per our government. That is why I didn't feel the need to do a Google search. That information was incorrect and I realize that now. Live and learn. I'll be more careful next time.

As for me posting the same message day in and day out. I do that because I can.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

F.D.A. Panel Recommends Pfizer Boosters for Those Over 65 or at Risk - The New York Times

Three people we know have received them already.

I specifically stated Moderna, not Pfizer...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Pictures near NYC of graves dug from Covid deaths. - Bing images

Once again, Nope!

That is the site NYC uses for unclaimed bodies, or for people who can't afford a private grave site. It's been around for about a century...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

front page new york times may 24 2020 - Bing

The NYT Front Page - Sunday, May 24, 2020

That you completely trust the NYT explains a lot...

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Boomer

But now this thread has filled up with the relentless linking from a few posters who did not like seeing the reality of what Covid can do, especially to the unvaccinated. And they do not want anyone else to see it either. And so, they go to war. And they are loving it. They must because they spend a helluva lot of time at it.

They will never run out of material.

Their "research" is bottomless. — grasping at straws or just plain made up.

Sometimes I wonder if these posts are all from just a couple of people with different names.

There is definitely a pattern to some of these posts. I am no Nancy Drew, but c'mon, an all day obsession with posting link after link after link -- some probably from shadow sources. . .

Boomer

I am sure you mean well but you are preaching to the choir. 95% of your readers are probably vaccinated and waiting anxiously for the booster. Posting scary articles about how horrible covid disease does no good here.

I already know, like everyone reading here, how terrible it would be to endure (if lucky) a bout with covid. That's why I got two Moderna shots 8 months ago and a third one coming soon.

Obviously I am not an anti vaxxer, far from it. I am however, anti misinformation and my posts in this thread (along with links from CDC etc) were made in order to correct some possibly deadly misconceptions. People minimizing the fact that breakthrough cases are being measured at 25% of total cases (by CDC) and that fully vaccinated people are contagious to others. THIS IS THE REASON THE CDC REVERSED COURSE AND RECOMMENDED MASKS FOR FULLY VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS.

It's funny that everyone says follow the science, trust the CDC, but when the CDC gives you actual data, it gets ignored.

Now here is a scary chart that might actually do some good if it convinces fully vaccinated older people to be more careful, wear an N95 if indoors with others, and don't believe you are 100% safe even if hanging out with fully vaccinated people. Get the booster as soon as possible. Most of the more serious breakthrough cases are among the elderly.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

OK.....we get it. But, it is the un-vaccinated people that are dying of Covid, NOT the vaccinated.

I'm confused... Are you saying it's the UN-vaccinated people who are dying of Covid?

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OMG, do I have to spoon feed this AGAIN

The "they are not carrying it at all" was a conditional statement in response to the assertion that vaccinated people were carrying it 74% ​of the time , gleaned from cherry picked data. Note context next time please.

The CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases because it was meaningless. The original strain had a breakthrough rate of 0.07%, they stopped counting before delta emerged, but I'll go out on a limb and state it is pretty low and NOT 74%.

The anti-vaxxers on this site keep referring to "viral load". Unfortunately, based on the content of their posts, they have absolutely no idea what viral load means or how it relates to the transmission of COVID

But, as I already posted, the breakthrough rate will continue to rise as immunity wanes over time. I think I summarized this matter simply enough for it to be understood, but I've thought that before and well............

LOL A "conditional" statement? It's a declarative sentence that means what it says. Nobody "asserted" that 74% of vaccinated people were carrying it, the CDC measured an outbreak in Massachusetts and that's their data.

Breakthrough cases are hardly "meaningless" It's why the CDC reversed course on masks for the vaccinated. Anyone with a 3 digit IQ can figure that out.

The CDC is taking breakthroughs and the fact that the vaccinated are spreading the virus very seriously. Why do you think they are pushing for boosters?

Antivaxer?? That's a laugh I'm coining a new name for people who keep minimizing the rising problem of breakthrough cases. Anti-breakers

All you are doing is spoon feeding nonsense.