[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by michgary

The union camera crew quit days before days before because of safety concerns,,, they knew something was not right,, which was that target practice was going on with live rounds during off hours.
That is the responsibility of the producer,, to have a safe set to film a movie. Do you really think Baldwin did not know there was target practice taking place on set ,, kinda loud to miss. Why did the union cam crew quit for safety?
Baldwin was negligent in the least,, or who is in charge?
Nobody?

You are correct. The NM state law governs, not "Hollywood rules".

Alec was criminally negligent both as a producer and as an individual. A scene was not being shot so he was not acting at that time. On his own hook he was fooling around with a loaded revolver without checking it for live rounds even though it had been used with live rounds to shoot at targets. He pointed the weapon at the poor woman and pulled the trigger, killing her and then denied pulling the trigger to the police. I hope and pray he ends up rotting in the state prison in Santa Fe but fear he will walk. The writing is on the wall with the ruling this judge already made. Very sad...

[michgary]

Even the "hollywood judge" ; he was paid to bring movies to New Mexico; cannot deny the facts and Baldwins culpability. It was his dam movie. I have faith he's not going scott free.

[VILLAGERBB]

My question is why would ANYONE do this?

Originally Posted by Kelevision

I’ve worked on film/tv sets for 30 years with plenty of guns. For the gun to get handed off to an actor is the full responsibility of the Armorer. That person’s job is to lock up the gun, NEVER have live rounds on set, only blanks, but most importantly, that gun cannot leave that persons hands until both the first AD and Armorer look inside the gun to make sure nothing is stuck in there ( Brandon Lee ) which was a union rule put in place because of Brandon Lee getting shot and killed on set years ago. Once that’s done the AD will yell out “cold gun on set” I’m also curious why they’d even use a real gun for a rehearsal instead of the rubber one. But so many things went wrong on this set. First, union camera crew quit days before due to safety issues. The armorer had just been fired from a Nick Cage movie because nobody felt safe with her. She was new to the job. IMO the Line Producer is just as guilty for hiring her and non union crews on a union shoot to save money. When shows try to save money and hire less experienced people bad things happen. I worked in Atlanta for 8 years on a tv series and one of our camera assistants was killed by a train because they were told they COULD NOT shoot on a live train track but the producer/director decided to take a small crew and call it a “rehearsal” but actually filmed and my friend was killed. That director was in prison all of maybe 2 years and is still making movies. Meanwhile, I wanted to shoot a scene on a sidewalk with a parking lot in between the train tracks and was told NOT SAFE so I picked another spot.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The weapons are the responsibility of the armorer.

And who is responsible for the Armorer?

The PRODUCER (AKA Baldwin...)

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

You are correct. The NM state law governs, not "Hollywood rules".

Alec was criminally negligent both as a producer and as an individual. A scene was not being shot so he was not acting at that time. On his own hook he was fooling around with a loaded revolver without checking it for live rounds even though it had been used with live rounds to shoot at targets. He pointed the weapon at the poor woman and pulled the trigger, killing her and then denied pulling the trigger to the police. I hope and pray he ends up rotting in the state prison in Santa Fe but fear he will walk. The writing is on the wall with the ruling this judge already made. Very sad...

Well, I guess we now understand the "saunters" comment in the heading.

[Two Bills]

If Baldwin voted for the other party, this thread, would probably have a totally different script.
That's Hollywood for you.
Funny old world.

[frayedends]

This should be a simple case. Baldwin, who by his own admission is a firearms expert (at least the way he carries on about banning guns, he certainly must making that claim), took a loaded gun, pointed at a person and pulled the trigger.

I don't care how many people outside of him were "responsible". He pulled the trigger. He did not properly check the gun. It wasn't a prop. It was a real gun.

If I go into a gun range and rent a gun, and the range safety officer hands me a gun, tells me it is not loaded, and I point it at a person and shoot them...there is no scenario where I don't go to jail for manslaughter, at the very least. There is no difference here. He knew it was a real gun and he murdered a person with it.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by frayedends

He knew it was a real gun and he murdered a person with it.

A murder charge under these circumstances would definitely be a not guilty verdict.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

A murder charge under these circumstances would definitely be a not guilty verdict.

Agreed.

People don't kill people, guns kill people.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

Agreed.

People don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well, a gun and a person were certainly involved in the death of the poor lady.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Well, a gun and a person were certainly involved in the death of the poor lady.

That poor lady would be alive today if of the human half of this equation did their part.

The revolver knows 1 thing; trigger pulled = hammer falls on pin/primer. Everything else is up to the human.

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

A murder charge under these circumstances would definitely be a not guilty verdict.

I consider manslaughter a form of murder.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

I’ve worked on film/tv sets for 30 years with plenty of guns. For the gun to get handed off to an actor is the full responsibility of the Armorer. That person’s job is to lock up the gun, NEVER have live rounds on set, only blanks, but most importantly, that gun cannot leave that persons hands until both the first AD and Armorer look inside the gun to make sure nothing is stuck in there ( Brandon Lee ) which was a union rule put in place because of Brandon Lee getting shot and killed on set years ago. Once that’s done the AD will yell out “cold gun on set” I’m also curious why they’d even use a real gun for a rehearsal instead of the rubber one. But so many things went wrong on this set. First, union camera crew quit days before due to safety issues. The armorer had just been fired from a Nick Cage movie because nobody felt safe with her. She was new to the job. IMO the Line Producer is just as guilty for hiring her and non union crews on a union shoot to save money. When shows try to save money and hire less experienced people bad things happen. I worked in Atlanta for 8 years on a tv series and one of our camera assistants was killed by a train because they were told they COULD NOT shoot on a live train track but the producer/director decided to take a small crew and call it a “rehearsal” but actually filmed and my friend was killed. That director was in prison all of maybe 2 years and is still making movies. Meanwhile, I wanted to shoot a scene on a sidewalk with a parking lot in between the train tracks and was told NOT SAFE so I picked another spot.

Wow how can they be so careless?

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Wow how can they be so careless?

All the comments have been................it started at the top.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by frayedends

I consider manslaughter a form of murder.

Good job you're not a defense lawyer then.