[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

My understanding is vaccinated people are immune to severe symptoms and death. The actual break through infection rate is very minimal and from those minimal break through infections, the rate of death is quite minuscule (NOT ZERO but minuscule). That is good enough protection IMHO. This is why I made sure to protect myself with the vaccine.

yep - last I read, out of 100,000,000 vaccinated, 9000 breakouts and 135 deaths, most of them due to a co-morbidity. So, rate of death is about as close to mon-existent as you can get. If you are vaccinated....

Those are the kind of odds that put you in the Powerball arena.

I could easily see life insurance companies even giving discounts for vaccinations. They give discounts to non-smokers as not smoking is single most and easiest way to mitigate an early death. Covid numbers are even worse... It won't take the actuaries long to to figure the numbers....

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

Small number test groups. Far from the huge experimental program going on today.

So....it was test groups? Not one person has had adverse effects? That is great news, even if the test groups were small. That is extremely encouraging to hear.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

There were tests on animals which resulted in death....all of the MRNA type trials were abandoned until Covid-19.

Those animals died because the messenger was not encapsulated. This is the reason for experimentation for medications and vaccines. So sorry for the animals but they are lower in the pecking order to humans. That problem that killed the animals was solved, by research, and now the messenger is encapsulated with a protein that protects the human body from being directly exposed to it. I read all about this so I'm sure you can find this information too. Yes, experimental animals will die with all sorts of medication and vaccine development. That is what research is all about.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I know mRNA technology has been in development for over 30 years but I'm not aware that humans have actually been on the receiving end of this technology (prior to the Covid vaccines). Which patients have received mRNA technology vaccines prior to Covid? I know there has been development with mRNA for treatment of cancer. Is it those patients who actually received mRNA vaccines over 10 years ago? I'm very interested to know. Thanks.

The trials were small, and then interest waned I suppose due to MERS and SARS going away before they reached pandemic levels. And rabies has never been a real issue. That research, however, laid the groundwork for these mRNA vaccines. They already knew they were safe, based on the small trials. Of course, you never know when you have millions rather than thousands. But there is little doubt that mRNA vaccines saved million of lives this year alone, as we see number plummet.

Long term effects -20, 30 years down the road? Who knows. I kinda doubt many people are worrying about that. They'd rather be alive to experience whatever happens 20/30 years from now than be worm food. Especially us in TV . HAHAHAHA

I just created a thread that had all the links from previous discussions we had here on TOTV. Felt that was easier that rehashing it all.

And someone posted results of animal trials? Kinda funny, as they determined cocaine would kill mice. One ounce of cocaine injected into a 4 ounce mouse killed it. Same with tests of cosmetics. They apply the equivalent of 100+ times more than necessary to see the effects on animals. So, I ignore that stuff.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

finally

Signs going up - NO MASKS REQUIRED

The signs should also include, "FOR FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE".

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The signs should also include, "FOR FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE".

It does!

[Tmarkwald]

trying again

But, it looks like picture uploads are not working again

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The signs should also include, "FOR FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE".

here ya go

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

The trials were small, and then interest waned I suppose due to MERS and SARS going away before they reached pandemic levels. And rabies has never been a real issue. That research, however, laid the groundwork for these mRNA vaccines. They already knew they were safe, based on the small trials. Of course, you never know when you have millions rather than thousands. But there is little doubt that mRNA vaccines saved million of lives this year alone, as we see number plummet.

Long term effects -20, 30 years down the road? Who knows. I kinda doubt many people are worrying about that. They'd rather be alive to experience whatever happens 20/30 years from now than be worm food. Especially us in TV . HAHAHAHA

I just created a thread that had all the links from previous discussions we had here on TOTV. Felt that was easier that rehashing it all.

And someone posted results of animal trials? Kinda funny, as they determined cocaine would kill mice. One ounce of cocaine injected into a 4 ounce mouse killed it. Same with tests of cosmetics. They apply the equivalent of 100+ times more than necessary to see the effects on animals. So, I ignore that stuff.

20-30 years?!? No one knows what potential side effects from the mRNA vaccines will be in 2-3 years...

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Swoop

20-30 years?!? No one knows what potential side effects from the mRNA vaccines will be in 2-3 years...

Yes, they certainly have a good idea - even with the small - 10,000 people in the trials from over 10 years ago have had no side effects.

But choice between life OR life imprisoned in my basement for fear of catching and dying from the virus?

Easy choice

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The signs should also include, "FOR FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE".

How would "they" know?

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by stanley

How would "they" know?

They won't. Not that the stores even want to know.

It's funny how it was o.k. for the cashiers to go to work every day and it was fine for all of the delivery drivers to help keep people safe during the peak of this virus, but now the same people that were kept safe are demanding that these workers get vaccinated.

I must say that I find that to be a bit disappointing.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Yes, they certainly have a good idea - even with the small - 10,000 people in the trials from over 10 years ago have had no side effects.

But choice between life OR life imprisoned in my basement for fear of catching and dying from the virus?

Easy choice

Please provide a link to an nRMA study that tracks long term effects.

According to the University of Pennsylvania, they don’t exist:
Conclusions
of first patient enrollment.
The current evidence base on messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines is made up entirely of small early-stage trials, nearly all of which examined only short-term outcomes. They lack sufficient power for testing the statistical significance of most results, and for assessing the risk of serious but uncommon adverse events.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

My understanding is vaccinated people are immune to severe symptoms and death. The actual break through infection rate is very minimal and from those minimal break through infections, the rate of death is quite minuscule (NOT ZERO but minuscule). That is good enough protection IMHO. This is why I made sure to protect myself with the vaccine.

Yes...the vaccine will keep you out of the hospital....as far as how apt one is to being infected...that is still a huge unknown...also.....vaccinated folks will be shedding the virus for sometime...that is why the masks were required for a while...may end up back again...anyone's guess...because that is what science is doing right now.!!!