[stanley]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then what type of "mark or tattoo" (that was being proposed) would you suggest?

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[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Absolutely correct SO FAR regarding the airlines. Not so, however, for cruise lines. Proof of vaccination is required to board a cruise ship. I can't wait to see how this new Florida law that DeSantis orchestrated that bans businesses from requesting proof of vaccination will shake out. AND, there is no exception for cruise lines.

Cruise lines have been given ridiculous guidelines by the CDC in order to cruise to include masks by the pool and at the dinner table which the industry is fighting back on. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

Yes you can upload your report card, but it's not legally required for travel in the US, the important word is travel in the US, however, is still required for many countries outside of the US. PS did you know the government as a master health file on you whether you've gotten vaccinated or not? It's true.

Absolutely true as everyone who has been vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study and being tracked by local health departments and the federal government to see what the results of the vaccine are in the short term, and long term.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Absolutely true as everyone who has been vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study to see what the results of the vaccine are in the short term, and long term.

you can say the same thing about being prescribed a new medicine. there have been many cases of medications being pulled from the market after side effects that did not present in trials became more evident with widespread use.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

you can say the same thing about being prescribed a new medicine. there have been many cases of medications being pulled from the market after side effects that did not present in trials became more evident with widespread use.

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

you can say the same thing about being prescribed a new medicine. there have been many cases of medications being pulled from the market after side effects that did not present in trials became more evident with widespread use.

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

[rjsantos592]

One step closer to socialism. Government trying to control our lives. What's next tatoos?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by stanley

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That's just a more modern, "hotter" version of what I posted!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Cruise lines have been given ridiculous guidelines by the CDC in order to cruise to include masks by the pool and at the dinner table which the industry is fighting back on. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

NCL is looking elsewhere to home port. The CDC is ridiculous, especially when NCL is guaranteeing FULLY vaccinated ships.......

From the NCL website: "Our cruises will operate with 100% vaccination of guests and crew through 10/31/21, therefore face coverings are not required but are highly recommended where physical distancing is not possible indoors for cruises prior to 10/31/21."

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Absolutely true as everyone who has been vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study and being tracked by local health departments and the federal government to see what the results of the vaccine are in the short term, and long term.

Tracking is a good thing. Even when medications have full FDA approval, isn't there some form of tracking adverse reactions? How else can they pull medications that have been sold with full FDA approval from the market? Zantac and Vicodin come to mind. Those drugs had full FDA approval and sold for many years yet were pulled from shelves. How did they know there were problems if not for receiving adverse side side effects reports? I'm sure these vaccines will be tracked and studied for many years beyond FDA approval. I have no problem with that.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

That is a good thing. No? I get it. These vaccines only have emergency use authorization. It was either that or have many more millions of people die of Covid. It was an excellent option to save millions of lives.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rjsantos592

One step closer to socialism. Government trying to control our lives. What's next tatoos?

Oh stop with the tattoo talk. That is ridiculous and you know it and so does everyone else who says the same thing about tattoos. Government control? Nah. Just public health to keep us safe.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

And your proof of this or evidence of this or anything to show you didn't make it up yourself is.......

It is quite likely that my name is associated with the information you mention in some database somewhere. My name is associated with many pieces of information in many databases somewhere. That doesn't mean the databases are being actively used to track me.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Oh stop with the tattoo talk. That is ridiculous and you know it and so does everyone else who says the same thing about tattoos. Government control? Nah. Just public health to keep us safe.

It was suggested as a viable option by another poster...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Astron

If you want to travel and there is a vaccination requirement at your destination the carrier is usually required to verify that you have had your shots before boarding you. It has been this way for decades. It only became a political issue when people politicized an infectious disease when COVID19 assaulted humanity. It is not difficult, if you want to travel to “E” and they require a vaccination for for COVID19, yellow fever or whatever; get the shot & show the proof, or don’t go. With every freedom come a responsibility. If you want the freedom to travel, you are responsible for meeting the host’s requirements.

Sadly, logic and practicality tend to get lost in this crowd. Thanks for a reasonable response though.