[PugMom]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

Texas lawmen, Big hats, Big boots, Big swagger , Big nothing, they had to wait till they had an army , when as soon as the first law men on the grounds should have been banging at that door not waiting for help

from your lips to God's ear! where's harry callahan when you need him?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

For argument's sake let's say that I believed the theory that people in the US somehow (?) changed around 1999 into mass-murdering zombies. How does that explain away the fact that both Australia and New Zealand brought down mass murders to about zero after they had years of problems by concentrating on the GUN? They said NO semi-automatic rifles. They can have bolt actions. Then, why does the US have the MOST, by far, available GUNS and also the MOST gun violence in the world?
......... The GUN is the obvious factor for the US being # 1.

"Those who give up a little freedom for a little security shall lose both--and deserve neither". (Benjamin Franklin--allegedly)

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Chicken. Put police back in schools.

There was an officer there. The school district even has it's own trained in school shootings police force. It didn't work. The city police were 3 minutes away from the school, and took 15 MINUTES to get to the school. They then waited 45 more minutes to go inside, while children were being murdered.

Meanwhile the police stood outside the school for an HOUR, arguing with parents that were begging them to go in and save their children. One woman even had to be handcuffed to prevent her from trying herself, since the police weren't doing anything.

The official story coming out would make you think everything went according to plan, that did not happen.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

Texas lawmen, Big hats, Big boots, Big swagger , Big nothing, they had to wait till they had an army , when as soon as the first law men on the grounds should have been banging at that door not waiting for help

If you believe the article, some went in early to rescue their own kids.

MSN

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

There job was to stop the shooter

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Back and forth.

It is obvious that we can't TAKE AWAY ALL THE GUNS. So, even suggesting it is just being intentionally confrontational.

Do you really think that I believe that you can, or should take away all guns? As I previously posted, people are comparing apples to pears. The mantra continues to be more gun control and those who question more gun control are not looking for solutions.

We can at least attempt to control the access. We can make some attempt to keep guns in the hands of responsible gun owners.

Given all of the information coming out about the murderer of these children, if he was FLAGGED for mental health issues in the FBI database as he should have been, he would not have passed the background check that the FBI approved. He would therefore not have been able to purchase the two rifles legally. This is one example of system failure. How about fixing what is broke and then determine what is needed to close identified gaps?

It is harder to get a drivers license in many states than it is to get as many guns as you want. In Texas the criteria seems to be, you are 18, breathing, have a load of money to spend, and no "known" criminal background involving shooting kids in schools.

Please provide proof "that it is easier to get a gun in many states" than a drivers license.

Over and over people are saying, things that WONT work.

But, few or none are making suggestions of what might help. Just HELP - not perfect, not a solution. Every single person here that has explained in great detail why the things that are being proposes won't work, and not offering solutions themselves, are telling the parents "sucks to be you, we can't stop the murdering of your children".

As I have said multiple times before, if you want to make progress then focus on the why and try and fix it. The problem with looking at the why is that it is not going to change anything in the short term. When the "quick fixes" ultimately don't work, how many of those people who proposed/supported them will be willing to look into the eyes of survivors of future mass killings and explain how their promised fixes didn't work?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

"Those who give up a little freedom for a little security shall lose both--and deserve neither". (Benjamin Franklin--allegedly)

By that definition the only free person is an anarchist.

Do you stop at stop signs? Why?
Do you drive on the right side of the road? Why?
Do you not use an outhouse in the city? Why?
Do you not rob banks? Why?

The list of "freedoms" we give up in the name of being civilized is almost endless. So, I say that is a wonderful sounding sound bite, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with real life.

I also make the assumption that the "freedoms" you don't want to give up, are not the same as the ones I don't want to give up, but my freedoms are not as important as yours.

[ldj1938]

Guns do not shot themselves...

[veraina2006]

Prayers for the families.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by veraina2006

Prayers for the families.

Absolutely.

Hopefully they have a strong faith.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by ldj1938

Guns do not shot themselves...

Only in Hollywood.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

That's your opinion.

Do some research and educate yourself.
Many studies have been done about Japan.

[chuckpedrey]

The Bible was the primary text book in colonial times and Fisher Ames, who helped frame the Bill of Rights addressed the issue in an article titled “School Books”.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by aldeana

Isn't it hypocritical and ironic that no guns will be allowed at the NRA event this week? Don't you wish that those precautions were in place at every supermarket, church, movie theater, etc?
How about those privileged few (mostly big name politicians) who walk around with a security detail?

Maybe there members follow rules.. some crazies in public don’t.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

How many cars have been used to murder children in their classrooms at school?

I wait while you look up the answer since you seem to think this post will contribute to saving children lives.

It seems almost every week another shooting kills more kids, and what do we have to offer as a sign to the parents that we care at all? Sarcasm? Children are dying. They are being murdered. Can we please argue about the color of peoples skin, or the cause of poverty, or wars, or stupid politicians, and for the sake of our children TRY to find something that will HELP. Not SOVLE, just help.

The greatest country on earth and we can't even set aside politics long enough to TRY and find a way to reduce the number of kids being murdered.

Yes, children in a classroom have been killed by a car, so you can stop waiting. Here is a link to the story. Granted it was an accident, but if an accident can happen that kills children in a classroom, can you deny that a deliberate attempt could have the same result? Oh and let's not forget the children that have been mowed down by a car. Don't believe me? Here is the most recent example, and by most recent, I mean YESTERDAY(link). Also note that the car contained multiple incendiary devices. Note too that a school staff member denied him access to the school 'to use the restroom" (Way to go by that staff member!). So did the car do it, or did the monster driving the car do it? The POINT is that if someone evil or mentally deranged wants to kill they will. So STOP focusing on guns and START focusing on why these animals do what they do.!