[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That boat has sailed. Your generation refuses to accept responsibility for the lousy teaching of the generation that actually raised today's kids. If only those kids' parents had better role models (their own parents) then maybe the grandkids wouldn't be so rotten today.

You want to fix the family, then stop telling kids it's okay to carry around AR-15s.

Clueless nobody tells there kids it’s ok to pack AR-15.

[zendog3]

No gun safety laws will be passed.No law will limit assault rifles with high capacity magazines. So what can be done? This is legislation that our conservative legislators will support:
1. Quit wasting energy trying to increase gun safety.
2. Realize the NRA is right. The only protection against a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.
3. Pass a law requiring every school teacher to carry a loaded automatic pistol anytime he or she is near children.
4. Children under 14 should probably not carry guns, but 15 and older should be required to carry guns while in school to protect themselves.
5. Halls in schools should have glass boxes every 50 yards with a loaded gun inside and a sing that says 'IN CASE OF ACTIVE SHOOTER, BREAK GLASS AND SHOOT INTRUDER.
These laws would stop school shootings! Who would be stupid enough to attack a school if they knew everyone in the place was armed? These common-sense laws would also eliminate bullying. No one wold bully another, if the knew the bullied person had easy access to a deadly weapon.
Widespread gun ownership would also stop road rage. If someone cuts me off, I am unlikely to assail him at the next stop sign if I know he is packing heat.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Nucky

A lifetime ago I had a business relationship with the Board of Education in Paterson N.J. During this time I had many conversations while providing a service to some machinery in all of the schools. I was speaking to a man named Joe Clark. We became friends. I'm not certain what his job was when I met him but I sure did know it a few years later.

The summer that they filmed the movie in East Side H.S. they spray painted the walls, threw garbage on the floor, and exaggerated how dirty the place really was. I guess that was just Hollywood putting their flavor on the site.

This man singlehandedly took on many members of the Board of Education in Paterson who seemed to work against him as he tried to prevent drug dealers from walking the hallways, going into classrooms, and having free run of the school he was put in charge of. He chained the doors and locked the doors with chains and locks you couldn't buy at Rickels. He took the money from his own pocket. He cared about the kids and teachers in the school and wanted to provide a safe environment for them to be able to learn. Unfortunately, the kids came from the hood. Many looked to Mr. Clark as a father figure. He did his best to speak in the auditorium to the kids about avoiding the temptation that was all around them. He spoke of teenage pregnancy and the down side of what comes with it.

He was making great progress and was making some of the higher-ups look bad. He had the recipe. He was snuffed out before he could complete his mission. He changed many people's lives for the better. He cried like a little girl the day that someone was raped in the stair case in the school. He didn't give up, he doubled up his efforts. He was the kind of leader that we need now who puts the children before everything else. What a great guy he was. I just looked at Wikipedia and see that he died a few years ago here in Florida.

I wonder what he would have done under the present conditions? I'll bet talking about everything would be low on his list and action would be on top.

I have no words for what's going on in these schools now. NOTHING I say will help or be constructive. We need a miracle to turn things around. We need someone like Joe Clark to come to the rescue. Many people thought he was nuts, he was a great man who motivated the un-motivateable and broke the chain of failure and abuse in many families in Paterson N.J. Hey Joe, send your replacement quickly, we're in deep trouble.

He was really something else with that megaphone. What a memory all this is for me. I think I'll go cry like a little girl for a little bit.

I remember him from many years ago living in NYC. Man was a hero and such an inspiration.

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by thevillages2013

If I want to own one it’s none of anyone’s business. Guns are guns . A damn 9mm will kill 30 people within two minutes or less so it’s not the gun it’s the ABSOLUTE NUT pulling the trigger

If the NUT can not have gun, he can not pull the trigger.

Sad

[mtdjed]

I am a conservative and believe that people should be able to legally own guns. But certainly, there is a limit. If a new gun came out that cost next to nothing and could shoot accurately 200 rounds per minute that allowed quick clip exchange, would it be wise to let anybody have? What if technology changes allow a deadly laser beam with unlimited range and repetition and not requiring reload?

There are a lot of wackos out there that may be unrestrained and use it to kill thousands even though the rest of us claim restraint. Is a wacko someone who should be able to buy this at age 18? How about a Glock 19 with a 15-round magazine plus fast clip change? I look at my Glock as protection from insurrection. I legally bought it as my first gun. Who knew my intent?

And who in their right mind expands law officers to immediately rush into a school with the immediate attempt to take out a wacko with unlimited fire power. Any of us willing to do that? Almost all military and civilian attempts to quell such situations would require a plan.

Wackos of the past did at least have technology limitation, but the future has no limit.

Also, no place for Wackos anymore. "Too cruel to put them away."

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

I am a conservative and believe that people should be able to legally own guns. But certainly, there is a limit. If a new gun came out that cost next to nothing and could shoot accurately 200 rounds per minute that allowed quick clip exchange, would it be wise to let anybody have? What if technology changes allow a deadly laser beam with unlimited range and repetition and not requiring reload?

There are a lot of wackos out there that may be unrestrained and use it to kill thousands even though the rest of us claim restraint. Is a wacko someone who should be able to buy this at age 18? How about a Glock 19 with a 15-round magazine plus fast clip change? I look at my Glock as protection from insurrection. I legally bought it as my first gun. Who knew my intent?

And who in their right mind expands law officers to immediately rush into a school with the immediate attempt to take out a wacko with unlimited fire power. Any of us willing to do that? Almost all military and civilian attempts to quell such situations would require a plan.

Wackos of the past did at least have technology limitation, but the future has no limit.

Also, no place for Wackos anymore. "Too cruel to put them away."

I am a liberal, obviously, and I agree with almost every thing you said.

Well said.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by zendog3

no gun safety laws will be passed.no law will limit assault rifles with high capacity magazines. So what can be done? This is legislation that our conservative legislators will support:
1. Quit wasting energy trying to increase gun safety.
2. Realize the nra is right. The only protection against a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.
3. Pass a law requiring every school teacher to carry a loaded automatic pistol anytime he or she is near children.
4. Children under 14 should probably not carry guns, but 15 and older should be required to carry guns while in school to protect themselves.
5. Halls in schools should have glass boxes every 50 yards with a loaded gun inside and a sing that says 'in case of active shooter, break glass and shoot intruder.
These laws would stop school shootings! Who would be stupid enough to attack a school if they knew everyone in the place was armed? These common-sense laws would also eliminate bullying. No one wold bully another, if the knew the bullied person had easy access to a deadly weapon.
Widespread gun ownership would also stop road rage. If someone cuts me off, i am unlikely to assail him at the next stop sign if i know he is packing heat.

i suggested in previous posts that the duty of protecting our children should belong to each of the 50 states national guardsmen as outlined in the second amendment to the bill of rights.
They are already on the payroll and are fully trained in the weaponry they use. 2 guardsmen per school using metal detectors and one centralized entrance should suffice and succeed.
No supreme court battles to fight. No us vs. Them. Let's put the children first because if we don't then were putting them last.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I am a liberal, obviously, and I agree with almost every thing you said.

Well said.

But would agree with the policies on treatment of individuals with mental problems and the criminals laws of the past that kept a lid on this sort of carnage ?

[Trayderjoe]

So 22 pages on this thread later, the same old same old is regurgitated. What is the problem that is trying to be solved here? School shootings? Ok, if that is the only problem that will stop children from being slaughtered in schools, then you must take away ALL guns, not just semi-automatics. You can't argue that bolt action rifles are ok since children are just as dead when shot with a bolt action rifle. You even get the benefit of ending shootings in major urban areas if no one can have a gun. Or does shooting children/people only matter when it is a mass shooting event?

LET"S DO IT!

Now what? Now what?

Do we wait for the next mass murder of children to take away THAT tool, or should we be proactive? What tool? How about a car? Oh my, cars are not designed to kill, nope can't take them away. Hmmmm....so if evil, or someone with mental issues decides that they can kill as many children by ramming them down with a car in the playground, is that going to be ok? While this did not happen on a playground, a "mass killing" event recently happened using a car. Remember Darrell Brooks? If you don't remember him, he was the person arrested for the Waukesha Christmas Parade tragedy (link). How about the suicidal person who decides to load up a car with fertilizer as part of a bomb and decides to take out a school bus?

So go ahead, focus on the tool currently used and take away guns. Do you really think that will stop someone who is bent on murder from finding another way to kill?

Or how about narrowing the focus and finding out WHY and what we can do better to reduce the WHY? More laws aren't the answer if existing laws don't work. WHY don't they work? WHY do the rights of people who need mental help supersede the rights of children to live?

Everyday we do risk analysis. When you get in a car, fly on a plane, EVEN TAKING prescription medicine you assess the risk and either accept it or not. Face it, living REQUIRES risk, it is impossible to eliminate all risk.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by sarah_w

jim, we are not talking about murderous zombies. We are talking about american citizens who, in the past 20 years, have gone on heinous shooting sprees targeting defenseless victims. The select gun free zones for maximum carnage. There is a very serious fault in their brain, not their trigger finger. It is very short sighted to think a cookie cutter approach will be effective, at any cost. That is your solution, at any cost restrict the rights of hundreds of millions of people because of the actions of dozens. The leap you have to make to justify that is just bizarre.

i have a better solution. Since the problem is clearly a male problem how about if we just make it illegal for men to have guns. Women committing these heinous crimes are so rare it's safe to say the nation would be much safer if only women had access to guns.

Sarah W - That is so very true. When I read what is highlighted, I said to my wife, "You gotta' love this woman".
Also, not that it matters, but I think the term "clip" which I have seen in some of these post, is being incorrectly used. I believe the proper term is "magazine".

[noslices1]

I have not heard of any of these shootings being done by NRA members. Maybe only NRA members should be allowed to own guns.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

i suggested in previous posts that the duty of protecting our children should belong to each of the 50 states national guardsmen as outlined in the second amendment to the bill of rights.
They are already on the payroll and are fully trained in the weaponry they use. 2 guardsmen per school using metal detectors and one centralized entrance should suffice and succeed.
No supreme court battles to fight. No us vs. Them. Let's put the children first because if we don't then were putting them last.

The school system had it's own TRAINED police force. The only problem was none of them had any experience (how do you get experience the first time?) So, many things went wrong. Lots of witnesses are coming forward and contradicting Abbots "claims" about how it went down. Even to the point a 9 year old that lived told the story of the police, once they went in, were calling out to have the kids let them know where they were, and one little girl stood up and yelled "HELP". so, they shooter shot her.

[MDLNB]

If restricting gun ownership is the answer to gun violence, why is it that the states/cities with the strictest gun control laws have the highest gun related violence? Does anyone REALLY think that by eliminating gun sales to honest, decent citizens we are going to eliminate gun related violence? Does making marijuana illegal actually keep folks from obtaining marijuana? Yes, decent law abiding folks will not have guns, but is that what you really want? I don't know the stats on gun ownership to gun crime, but I would suggest that over all, it has to be pretty low. If there really is over 300 million guns owned in America, then the gun crime to gun ownership is pretty low. So, do we penalize decent folks because of a very minute amount of lawlessness related to possession of guns? How about we ban automobiles because a very few car owners drive under the influence? Take all cars away from decent folks. How about banning all alcohol sales because a very few abusers drive under the influence? Oh yeah, that was tried already and how did that work? Maybe we should make laws that prohibit murder....oh...right....done that.
Now, we get to the common argument that will undoubtedly come up (as always) about rate of fire. "Oh, but a semiautomatic firearm can kill lots of people." Yep, but so can a bomb, so can poisonous gas, and so can a truck or car. Do we penalize the majority for the actions of the minority? Like someone else said, how many murders by firearm in the Villages?
Take away the cause, not the method.

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by jswirs

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Sarah W - That is so very true. When I read what is highlighted, I said to my wife, "You gotta' love this woman".
Also, not that it matters, but I think the term "clip" which I have seen in some of these post, is being incorrectly used. I believe the proper term is "magazine".

Thank you, Yes you are correct. The AR uses magazines, not clips. Many rifles, especially modern types use magazines. I think of it as a "box" that gets inserted into the action of the rifle. Clips are thin and not a box. I've shot WWII rifles that used a clip. Moon clips allow a revolver to shoot 9mm and speed load. There may be other types.

[aldeana]

Isn't it hypocritical and ironic that no guns will be allowed at the NRA event this week? Don't you wish that those precautions were in place at every supermarket, church, movie theater, etc?
How about those privileged few (mostly big name politicians) who walk around with a security detail?

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Prayers, platitudes, lots of flowers, plenty of photo ops. at the vigils, (cry please) and most of all, empty promises.
Same old faces spouting the same entrenched opinions.
Sells papers, and keeps the talking heads employed.
Nothing will change.
Here's to the next time!