[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

What does that have to do with anything? And deranged people can now just pick up an assault rifle. Other kinds of weapons that can cause mass casualties are hard to get, use, and transport. Assault rifles are not.

You probably won't read the article I just posted about the Washington Navy Yard mass shooting. The article cited stated that the killer cut down the barrel and stock of a shot gun, disassembled it and stuck it in a shoulder bag. He then went into a bathroom in the navy yard, assembled it and murdered 12 people. Easy to get, use, and transport, wasn't that what you said?
What other kinds of weapons that can cause mass casualties are hard to get? 12 gauge shotguns are available in nearly all gun shops and are no harder to obtain than a rifle. The murderer in the medical clinic incident being discussed used a "blow out both lungs" 9mm semiauto pistol, not a so-called assault rifle.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Shotguns make excellent home defense weapons.

We are not blaming guns. We ARE blaming those that sell , market and glamorize weapons primarily designed for use on battlefields.

Do you not know that shotguns were used extensively in WWI, WWII and in Viet Nam? In WW I shotguns were used as trench clearing weapons, not only in 12 gauge, but 10 gauge which is much more powerful than a 12 gauge. They were devastating in trench clearing. They were so effective that the Germans lodged a protest against the use of shotguns as they were against the law of warfare.

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

What does that have to do with anything? And deranged people can now just pick up an assault rifle. Other kinds of weapons that can cause mass casualties are hard to get, use, and transport. Assault rifles are not.

Say What? Do you think AR-15s or AK-47s are easier to get than hand guns, hunting rifles, shot guns etc. Do you really think they are easier to hide than a hand gun or sawed off high capacity shot gun. Unless you are referring to hand grenades you are off base.

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I think one of the reasons the AR15 is used so often is because the media and anti-gun zealots have portrayed it as the ultimate, most death dealing weapon in the history of firearms. In the close quarters of school rooms, a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 Buck Shot will wreak far more destruction. Do you remember this mass shooting?

The Washington Navy Yard shooting occurred on September 16, 2013, when 34-year-old Aaron Alexis fatally shot 12 people and injured three others in a mass shooting at the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) inside the Washington Navy Yard in southeast Washington, D.C. The attack took place in the Navy Yard's Building 197; it began around 8:16 a.m. EDT and ended when police killed Alexis around 9:25 a.m. It is the deadliest mass shooting in Washington, D.C. history, as well as the second deadliest mass murder on a U.S. military base, behind the 2009 Fort Hood shooting.

You can read the whole story here: Washington Navy Yard shooting - Wikipedia

The murderer used a 12 gauge shotgun.

Yes, the AR15 is an efficient killing implement, but so are all other centerfire cartridge rifles. Yes, the AR15 is a weapon of war, but nearly every rifle ever made has been used as a weapon of war.
I'm going to keep harping on the fact that we have a violence problem in this country. Why is this not the primary topic of concern in this country? Too many people don't want to talk about it because it will require complicated, expensive and possibly controversial actions to fix the problem. It's much easier to blame an inanimate object for the weak minded to embrace as the cure-all, taking the pressure off gutless politicians.

Thank you, well stated.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Larchap49

You sir are a dreamer. How did outlawing prostitution work? How did outlawing drugs work? How did Prohibition work 100 years ago. Criminals are criminals and pay no attention to laws or bans. They will do what they do with impunity knowing no law abiding citizen is armed to prevent it. Not to mention gov------nt. There are loopholes that could be closed and monitoring of the unwell mentally ill, but a ban deprived the wrong people and removes too many deterrents.

Australia banned certain guns and gun violence went DOWN there. The main difference between the US and Australia is that Australia does NOT have the NRA. So, that tells me that SOMETHING could be done about US gun murders .....but that it is MORE IMPORTANT to have the US NRA protect the profits of the GUN MANUFACTURERS.
...........Murders and mass murders are INCREASING each year. The US is the country with the most GUNS in the hands of civilians - so, why haven't the murders DECREASED. Hint.......they are not going to DECREASE, JUST THE OPPOSITE. More gun sales ADD to the PROBLEM, they have NOT decreased the problem.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Larchap49

Say What? Do you think AR-15s or AK-47s are easier to get than hand guns, hunting rifles, shot guns etc. Do you really think they are easier to hide than a hand gun or sawed off high capacity shot gun. Unless you are referring to hand grenades you are off base.

That is VERY TRUE about a shotgun being a better defensive weapon for a homeowner than a AR-15 style weapon, which is designed to kill or wound up to 10 or more victims. Recoil (or lack of it) is the main advantage of an AR-15-style rifle. AR-15-style rifles are EASY to use because the normal cartridge is the 223, which has low RECOIL. Shotguns and deer rifles NORMALLY have MORE recoil than a 223. The 223 has low recoil and high velocity so it has almost ZERO back-kick (recoil) and still delivers high energy downrange - up to about 300 yards.
.........Pistols have the problem that the short distance between the back sight and the front sight makes it difficult to hit anything except at close range - and takes more practice than a short-barreled 223. Also, the pistol cartridges hit with WAY less knockdown power.
..........So, basically, the short-barreled rifle in 223 caliber is the weapon of choice for KILLING people. The NRA would block any attempt to ban any particular weapon, but AK-47 were banned years ago. An AR-15 in 223 would be an ideal weapon to ban because it's main use is to KILL HUMANS.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is VERY TRUE about a shotgun being a better defensive weapon for a homeowner than a AR-15 style weapon, which is designed to kill or wound up to 10 or more victims. Recoil (or lack of it) is the main advantage of an AR-15-style rifle. AR-15-style rifles are EASY to use because the normal cartridge is the 223, which has low RECOIL. Shotguns and deer rifles NORMALLY have MORE recoil than a 223. The 223 has low recoil and high velocity so it has almost ZERO back-kick (recoil) and still delivers high energy downrange - up to about 300 yards.
.........Pistols have the problem that the short distance between the back sight and the front sight makes it difficult to hit anything except at close range - and takes more practice than a short-barreled 223. Also, the pistol cartridges hit with WAY less knockdown power.
..........So, basically, the short-barreled rifle in 223 caliber is the weapon of choice for KILLING people. The NRA would block any attempt to ban any particular weapon, but AK-47 were banned years ago. An AR-15 in 223 would be an ideal weapon to ban because its main use is to KILL HUMANS.

You’re one funny guy. A .223 has more stopping power than a pistol round? My 1911 in .45ACP will knock you down a lot better than a.223 coming from a rifle or pistol. It’s posts like this that make people ignore you. You have no credibility. You just spew stuff that you wish was true just so you can troll your agenda.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

You’re one funny guy. A .223 has more stopping power than a pistol round? My 1911 in .45ACP will knock you down a lot better than a.223 coming from a rifle or pistol. It’s posts like this that make people ignore you. You have no credibility. You just spew stuff that you wish was true just so you can troll your agenda.

It seems to matter how you define "powerful".

.223 vs .45 ACP? - The Firing Line Forums

Which is more powerful: 9mm or .223? - Quora.

Disclosure though-- I have not fired a gun of any kind since can, bottle and derelict car and truck shooting at a dump near Reno, Nevada in 1982 with my grandfather.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

but AK-47 were banned years ago.

The AK-47 is not banned.
AK47 For SALE - AtlanticFirearms.com

[Taltarzac725]

Another shooting. This time in a mall in Texas.

Live updates: Shooting at outlet mall in Allen, Texas, leaves at least 9 hospitalized

[Bay Kid]

My gun is not dangerous. Crazy people are dangerous.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I enjoy your input.

Gun experts: Las Vegas shooter used '''fully''' automatic weapon - ABC7 New York

Please keep posting and learn to use the Ignore List function. There are some people and posts really not worth reading.

Did you bother to read the article you posted?

It said "he could also have used a bump stock"...

You cannot make a determination from sound alone. You MUST examine the weapon to see if it was modified or not...

That article has ZERO info on that...

P.S. The post you responded to was chock full of nonsense...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Really? Tell that to parents of the kids killed at Parkland. They did see the photos of the damage this weapon caused. Parkland high school shooting - Wikipedia

AR-15 style rifle - Wikipedia

Smith & Wesson M&P15 - Wikipedia

Cho killed 30 ADULTS at VA Tech with two handguns. A 9mm and a .22...

But sure, play the emotional card...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is the number of rounds coming out of the barrel. Again. Tell what you are selling to the parents of the Parkland kids.

The Parkland shooter had a bag filled with 10 round magazines. He changed them out quickly... That is less rounds per magazine than many handguns...

Many kids in this country and terrified just to go to school every week day as are their parents. School shootings: How parents can cope with anxiety after a traumatic event | BabyCenter



That is because of the worship of guns in this country and the idiotic idea that collecting them will serve as some kind of check on government. They are much better trained and armed than any armchair wanna be warriors.

More emotional nonsense...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Why do you and many others try to diminish the evil brutality of the Nazi government? It was the most brutal, inhuman and evil event in world history. To compare it to the trivial political spats today is an insult to those who died in the Holocaust. Do some reading of those events by the survivors, watch the many documentaries about this terrible time in history. Spend the money and travel to Europe and see first hand the few remaining death camps.

Because they have no other argument to make...