[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Ridiculous response. The facts in what weapons were used in the shootings of 2023 show different.

Many more "mass shootings" are done using handguns, every single year...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

What does that have to do with anything? And deranged people can now just pick up an assault rifle. Other kinds of weapons that can cause mass casualties are hard to get, use, and transport. Assault rifles are not.

More factually incorrect nonsense...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Terms to Know About Guns When Discussing Mass Shootings

Worth a look.

You should pay attention to much of the article...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Australia banned certain guns and gun violence went DOWN there. The main difference between the US and Australia is that Australia does NOT have the NRA. So, that tells me that SOMETHING could be done about US gun murders .....but that it is MORE IMPORTANT to have the US NRA protect the profits of the GUN MANUFACTURERS.
...........Murders and mass murders are INCREASING each year. The US is the country with the most GUNS in the hands of civilians - so, why haven't the murders DECREASED. Hint.......they are not going to DECREASE, JUST THE OPPOSITE. More gun sales ADD to the PROBLEM, they have NOT decreased the problem.

Australian's now own More guns than before the ban and gun violence is still lower there...

It's their culture, not the guns...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is VERY TRUE about a shotgun being a better defensive weapon for a homeowner than a AR-15 style weapon, which is designed to kill or wound up to 10 or more victims. Recoil (or lack of it) is the main advantage of an AR-15-style rifle. AR-15-style rifles are EASY to use because the normal cartridge is the 223, which has low RECOIL. Shotguns and deer rifles NORMALLY have MORE recoil than a 223. The 223 has low recoil and high velocity so it has almost ZERO back-kick (recoil) and still delivers high energy downrange - up to about 300 yards.
.........Pistols have the problem that the short distance between the back sight and the front sight makes it difficult to hit anything except at close range - and takes more practice than a short-barreled 223. Also, the pistol cartridges hit with WAY less knockdown power.
..........So, basically, the short-barreled rifle in 223 caliber is the weapon of choice for KILLING people. The NRA would block any attempt to ban any particular weapon, but AK-47 were banned years ago. An AR-15 in 223 would be an ideal weapon to ban because it's main use is to KILL HUMANS.

This was incorrect the first time you posted it. Repeating it does not make it any more correct...

[Taltarzac725]

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: The damage to the human body caused by firearms | CNN

I know the grandparents of a 14 year old girl murdered in the Parkland shooting. Know them quite well in fact. Parkland high school shooting - Wikipedia

The damage done by these rounds from AR-15 type weapons is very extensive. AR-15 style rifle - Wikipedia

Many trauma physicians have written about treating these kind of wounds.

Why do semi-automatic rifles cause so much damage? - ABC7 Los Angeles

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: The damage to the human body caused by firearms | CNN

I know the grandparents of a 14 year old girl murdered in the Parkland shooting. Know them quite well in fact. Parkland high school shooting - Wikipedia

The damage done by these rounds from AR-15 type weapons is very extensive. AR-15 style rifle - Wikipedia

Many trauma physicians have written about treating these kind of wounds.

Why do semi-automatic rifles cause so much damage? - ABC7 Los Angeles

So much misleading info in those articles...

First, the watermelon test... You have no idea what calibre round they used with the handgun. If it was a sub-sonic .22, yes, it would most likely leave a small entrance/exit wlound.

If it was a 9mm or .45 defensive round that expands on impact? It would cause much more damage...

When they talk about rifles, they use a lot of "MAYS" and "COULDS"...

When they talk about children, they only mention that "rifles cause more damage in children", due to the smaller organs, less fat, etc. What they leave out is than handgunst will also have the same effect on children, for the same reasons...

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The main difference between the US and Australia is that Australia does NOT have the NRA.

This is A PERFECT EXAMPLE why it makes no sense to even attempt intellectual discussions with certain people.

You assert the main difference between the U.S. and Australia is that Australia does not have the NRA.

The country’s land territory is the sixth-largest in the world at 7.692 square kilometres. When measuring the population against its land area, Australia has one of the lowest densities in the world.
Compared with the population density of other countries such as that of the United States, which is 35.71 persons per square kilometre, Australia has only 3 persons/km2. It also has a lower density than Canada’s 4 persons /km2, New Zealand’s 18 persons/ km2, and the United Kingdom’s 275 persons/ km2.

Thomas Stucky and John Ottensmann show that rates of murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault are generally higher in areas with high-density residential developments and commercial property, and generally lower in areas characterized by industry, parks and schools.

The U.S. Continental land border with other countries (you know like where guns could be smuggled in) is approximately 6000 miles.
The Australian land border with other countries is .......0

Quite a few other differences between the 2 countries. But I think you should stick with the NRA being the main difference.
It's like a warning sign on your forehead that allows other's to stay clear as there may be some cognitive abilities missing or degraded.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

This is A PERFECT EXAMPLE why it makes no sense to even attempt intellectual discussions with certain people.

You assert the main difference between the U.S. and Australia is that Australia does not have the NRA.

The country’s land territory is the sixth-largest in the world at 7.692 square kilometres. When measuring the population against its land area, Australia has one of the lowest densities in the world.
Compared with the population density of other countries such as that of the United States, which is 35.71 persons per square kilometre, Australia has only 3 persons/km2. It also has a lower density than Canada’s 4 persons /km2, New Zealand’s 18 persons/ km2, and the United Kingdom’s 275 persons/ km2.

Thomas Stucky and John Ottensmann show that rates of murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault are generally higher in areas with high-density residential developments and commercial property, and generally lower in areas characterized by industry, parks and schools.

The U.S. Continental land border with other countries (you know like where guns could be smuggled in) is approximately 6000 miles.
The Australian land border with other countries is .......0

Quite a few other differences between the 2 countries. But I think you should stick with the NRA being the main difference.
It's like a warning sign on your forehead that allows other's to stay clear as there may be some cognitive abilities missing or degraded.

There you go again... Confusing him with facts...

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

This is A PERFECT EXAMPLE why it makes no sense to even attempt intellectual discussions with certain people.

You assert the main difference between the U.S. and Australia is that Australia does not have the NRA.

The country’s land territory is the sixth-largest in the world at 7.692 square kilometres. When measuring the population against its land area, Australia has one of the lowest densities in the world.
Compared with the population density of other countries such as that of the United States, which is 35.71 persons per square kilometre, Australia has only 3 persons/km2. It also has a lower density than Canada’s 4 persons /km2, New Zealand’s 18 persons/ km2, and the United Kingdom’s 275 persons/ km2.

Thomas Stucky and John Ottensmann show that rates of murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault are generally higher in areas with high-density residential developments and commercial property, and generally lower in areas characterized by industry, parks and schools.

The U.S. Continental land border with other countries (you know like where guns could be smuggled in) is approximately 6000 miles.
The Australian land border with other countries is .......0

Quite a few other differences between the 2 countries. But I think you should stick with the NRA being the main difference.
It's like a warning sign on your forehead that allows other's to stay clear as there may be some cognitive abilities missing or degraded.

Nicely put!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It seems to matter how you define "powerful".

.223 vs .45 ACP? - The Firing Line Forums

Which is more powerful: 9mm or .223? - Quora.

Disclosure though-- I have not fired a gun of any kind since can, bottle and derelict car and truck shooting at a dump near Reno, Nevada in 1982 with my grandfather.

That is just oppositeville-talk. A .45 pistol bullet will bounce off most bullet-proof vests. But, a high-velocity RIFLE round like a .223 will blow holes in the same vests. Take a vest out to a rifle range and prove that. In fact the US Army found that 9mm (higher velocity cartridges) were superior to the .45 ACP as far as penetration and wounding power goes. In general, any high-velocity rifle cartridge has better knock-down power than ANY normal pistol cartridge.
.........To prove that.......I think that any gun enthusiast that was attacked by a brown bear in Alaska would rather have in their hands the old 30-30 rifle rather than a 44-magnum six-gun!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

The AK-47 is not banned.
AK47 For SALE - AtlanticFirearms.com

I said "WERE" banned. And that's true they were banned years ago. They are NOT banned TODAY - ALMOST nothing is banned today. That is why so many children are being blown apart today. That is NOT on my conscience. I would allow zero guns that are NOT single-shot to be sold today. So, my conscience is clear. I wonder how some gun enthusiasts can sleep at night.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I said "WERE" banned. And that's true they were banned years ago. They are NOT banned TODAY - ALMOST nothing is banned today. That is why so many children are being blown apart today. That is NOT on my conscience. I would allow zero guns that are NOT single-shot to be sold today. So, my conscience is clear. I wonder how some gun enthusiasts can sleep at night.

Please list 1 gun that is not single trigger pull, single-shot that is legal in the U.S. today that was banned in the past. I'll wait.......

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is just oppositeville-talk. A .45 pistol bullet will bounce off most bullet-proof vests. But, a high-velocity RIFLE round like a .223 will blow holes in the same vests. Take a vest out to a rifle range and prove that. In fact the US Army found that 9mm (higher velocity cartridges) were superior to the .45 ACP as far as penetration and wounding power goes. In general, any high-velocity rifle cartridge has better knock-down power than ANY normal pistol cartridge.
.........To prove that.......I think that any gun enthusiast that was attacked by a brown bear in Alaska would rather have in their hands the old 30-30 rifle rather than a 44-magnum six-gun!

All of which has nothing to do with the subject at hand... As usual...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I said "WERE" banned. And that's true they were banned years ago. They are NOT banned TODAY - ALMOST nothing is banned today. That is why so many children are being blown apart today. That is NOT on my conscience. I would allow zero guns that are NOT single-shot to be sold today. So, my conscience is clear. I wonder how some gun enthusiasts can sleep at night.

Thank god you're the one making the rules...

And my conscience is clear, as well... My guns have never hurt anyone... They must be defective...