[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Forgotten words: ‘A well regulated Militia’ | The Hill

I would bet that the Founding Fathers had read a lot of English history and did not want private armies around that would march on Parliament. That is not what the 2nd Amendment was about back then but was about a "well regulated militia".

And they probably know about Roman History-- Year of the Four Emperors - Wikipedia.

They had just came out of a bloody war against a tyrannical government and they wanted to make sure that would not have to happen again...

So, yeah, that's exactly what they wanted...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

No one is suggesting banning of all guns. That is a straw man argument.

No, just guns that "look scary"...

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45

The first amendment: are you not aware what been going on here in Fl. Banning certain books, what Disney can say and not say. I'm just saying there are many people out there who have firearms and don't have a clue how to handle them.

Wrong and wrong...

They are simply making sure that the books are "age appropriate". Nothing is "banned"...

And pray tell, what has Disney been banned from saying?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by mikeycereal

Thanks for providing this for those who "claim" ignorance. Nobody "needs" these types of weapons. And it's not because they "look scary." Unfortunately this is just a little friendly chat site where others like us can simply choose to argue the point back and forth and the info should be pounded into the lawmakers because they either don't seem to get it or choose to ignore it.

I'm all for tougher background checks. Maybe having family members come along to ok the purchase and verify that their son/sibling/husband isn't some stockpiling psycho with revenge as a motive. Yes it's come to that point where mommy and daddy need to sign off already. And yeah it's been like that where a few bad apples make it a hassle for everyone, I get it but that's where we've been.

I notice you left out "trans daughter"...

At what age do "mommy and daddy" no longer have to sign off on a gun purchase?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The 2nd Amendment is about a well regulated militia and not the right of private citizens to have weapons designed for warfare.

Wrong again. The "well regulated militia" at the time WAS "The People"...

You know, the private citizens...

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Originally Posted by Whitley

Banning books is just terrible. I remember how angry I was when I turned 12 and could not buy Playboy. Stop Book Banning.

Yeah, we had to steal them from Dad's sock drawer...

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We are talking about weapons used today in the Ukraine-Russian war not about Agincourt. These are assault weapons and many other kinds.

Nope. No soldier carries an AR-15 into battle. The AK's that civilians own are not carried into battle, either...

Please educate yourself...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Look up the weapons used in the Ukraine-Russian war.

List of Russo-Ukrainian War military equipment - Wikipedia

Yeah, I don't see an AR-15 on the list. And the AK-47 on the list is the "fully automatic" version that is not the semi-auto that the "average joe" is buying in this country...

Once again, you're comparing apples and kumquats...

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Actually read the article.

No. Don't actually read the article which does not address what the president said. Listen to what Biden said for yourself....
"A 9 mm bullet blows the lungs out of the body. So, the idea these high-caliber weapons, there simply is no rationale basis for it, in terms of self-protection, hunting..."

He was suggesting banning 9mm handguns. Try going for the truth, not with how people such as Newsweek try to spin the truth. There were lots of articles on that quote and him suggesting to ban handguns (other than 22), but I wanted to post the left leaning site with the actual video of him saying it, so that you would hopefully listen to his words. It appears my attempt at getting you to acknowledge the truth have failed again.

[Taltarzac725]

Florida at Center of Debate as School Book Bans Surge Nationally - The New York Times

Just Google and you can find a great deal of materials backed me up. I do know something about book bans as I have a MA in Librarianship and have worked in a number of different libraries of all kinds-- academic, law, and public ones.

[Taltarzac725]

What Does the 2nd Amendment Say? — Civics 101: A Podcast

I found this very interesting.

Alexandra Filindra: In the Civil War, the militia showed how badly trained there were. There were constantly brawling, and they weren't working with each other from different states because they didn't have any contact. They had no organizational training, [00:12:30] and they were drunk.

Nick Capodice: And a group of officers from the New York State militia who saw how terribly the militia had performed in the Civil War, devoted themselves to the task of training them, specifically training them how to shoot better records from the union estimated that its troops fired about 1000 rifle shots for each Confederate soldier hit.

Hannah McCarthy: So they weren't just ineffective. They were also, I would assume, costing a lot of money.

[Taltarzac725]

Why We Can't Ignore the "Militia" Clause of the Second Amendment | Mises Wire

Also very interesting.

Fearful that a large federal military could be used to destroy the freedoms of the states themselves, Anti-Federalists and other Americans fearful of centralized power in the US government designed the Second Amendment accordingly. It was designed to guarantee that the states would be free to raise and train their own militias as a defense against federal power, and as a means of keeping a defensive military force available to Americans while remaining outside the direct control of the federal government.

This is about having a well trained well equipped state militia. Which we do in the states. They are called National Guards for various states.

NV Nat'l Guard Home

Air National Guard - U.S. Air Force

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Florida at Center of Debate as School Book Bans Surge Nationally - The New York Times

Just Google and you can find a great deal of materials backed me up. I do know something about book bans as I have a MA in Librarianship and have worked in a number of different libraries of all kinds-- academic, law, and public ones.

I couldn't read the NYT article without paying, and that definitely wasn't going to happen.

I guess our disagreement is based on different definition of terms, exacerbated by people who compare books being banned in schools with Nazi Germany.

Books banned by Nazi Germany were burned and not allowed to be owned. Books banned in Florida (NOT BY STATE OF FLORIDA, but by local school districts) are banned only from public schools while parents and others are allowed to own them and provide them to their children if they so desire. Major difference.

There are many cases that uphold that banning books in schools violates the first amendment. The only Supreme Court case I could find was a 4-4 split. So, that cannot be considered settled law.

But, I would like you to go on record as supporting Playboy, Penthouse, and Guns and Ammo, or the Shades of Gray series in Public schools because the children have a first amendment right to them. If you do support that, we know where you stand. If you don't support that, we know that you are a hypcrite.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

"Not allowed in public schools" usually means also in public school libraries. Which means a book ban.

So you believe ALL books should be allowed in public elementary schools? I want to be sure I understand.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

I couldn't read the NYT article without paying, and that definitely wasn't going to happen.

I guess our disagreement is based on different definition of terms, exacerbated by people who compare books being banned in schools with Nazi Germany.

Books banned by Nazi Germany were burned and not allowed to be owned. Books banned in Florida (NOT BY STATE OF FLORIDA, but by local school districts) are banned only from public schools while parents and others are allowed to own them and provide them to their children if they so desire. Major difference.

There are many cases that uphold that banning books in schools violates the first amendment. The only Supreme Court case I could find was a 4-4 split. So, that cannot be considered settled law.

But, I would like you to go on record as supporting Playboy, Penthouse, and Guns and Ammo, or the Shades of Gray series in Public schools because the children have a first amendment right to them. If you do support that, we know where you stand. If you don't support that, we know that you are a hypcrite.

What does Nazi Germany have to do with the US in 2023? That was a totalitarian state under the control of a madman-- Adolf Hitler.