[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Wondering

What society needs are more guns - not! Isn't it "great" that we live in Florida with open carry and doing away with concealed weapons permits. Is this really the State of freedom? Shouldn't we be free from gun violence! How about banning books and doing away with the teaching of true, factual history! Feels like going down a slippery slope, like Germany in the 1930's.

And who would decide "True Factual History"? Exactly what true factual history is being hidden?

[Taltarzac725]

The needs of the community are part of library collection development. Those are usually the job of someone with a lot of experience assessing how well certain materials are for that library.


School librarians would also take that approach. What is good for the community as far as books included. They should not be involved in schemes to get voters for so and do by making them players in a shell game.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Haggar

What is the basis for that statement? How many times has that happened? Many? - it happens occasionally I suppose but I can't really recall reading about it more than a few times in my lifetime.

I did read recently about the youth who was shot because he knocked on the wrong door.

We're thought about having a gun in the house. However don't really seeing us being the winner in a shoot-out.

The best estimates are that guns are used to deter or thwart crime between 500,000 and 2.8 million times per year, but the more likely answer is probably somewhere in the middle. A 2021 survey2 estimated that guns are used 1.67 million times per year in self defense in the United States.

Now if you decide not to have a gun in your home to defend your loved ones and self, that is fine. Your choice. I would propose your chances of defending yourselves from a violent home invasion are better with a gun then without, but no one should tell you what is right for you. That would be wrong.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Why We Can't Ignore the "Militia" Clause of the Second Amendment | Mises Wire

Also very interesting.

This is about having a well trained well equipped state militia. Which we do in the states. They are called National Guards for various states.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

You are not allowed to re-write this just because you want to. It does not say the right of states to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It did not enumerate the right for states but for the people. It was trying to prevent a standing national army and to protect the rights of the states from tyrannical national government. And to do this it enumerated the right for the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. It was not talking about personal protection (from home invaders and such) and hunting as that was assumed to be so given that it did not even need to be mentioned.

Just like the 1st amendment did not specify free speech using the internet, the second amendment did not specify which arms were considered acceptable.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The needs of the community are part of library collection development. Those are usually the job of someone with a lot of experience assessing how well certain materials are for that library.


School librarians would also take that approach. What is good for the community as far as books included. They should not be involved in schemes to get voters for so and do by making them players in a shell game.

So a school librarian should make the decision for what should be included in the library..... Based on what? the individual beliefs of that person overrides the beliefs of the community? If the librarian selects one book and not another, that is just as surely book banning as if the community made the decision. Surely this was not intended to be a serious comment. If

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

What does Nazi Germany have to do with the US in 2023? That was a totalitarian state under the control of a madman-- Adolf Hitler.

Exactly my point. But, that is the comparison made in this thread by multiple people. Glad we can agree on one point...it is absolutely rediculous to compare what is happening in FL to Nazi Germany.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Exactly my point. But, that is the comparison made in this thread by multiple people. Glad we can agree on one point...it is absolutely rediculous to compare what is happening in FL to Nazi Germany.

What I happening in Florida is just Woke shenanigans mainly by a man in political office.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

So a school librarian should make the decision for what should be included in the library..... Based on what? the individual beliefs of that person overrides the beliefs of the community? If the librarian selects one book and not another, that is just as surely book banning as if the community made the decision. Surely this was not intended to be a serious comment. If

It is not a personal decision but a professional one based on what other librarians in other school libraries are doing for their communities. They usually will keep such books in their libraries. I mean the ones some parents do not want their kids having access to but it is not up to a small group of parents but is based on long term professional practices.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

What I happening in Florida is just Woke shenanigans mainly by a man in political office.

This is hilarious. Some posters using terms when they apparently don't even know what they mean. And so unspecific as to not even make a real point. I'll just have to let this one clearly reflect upon the poster.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Florida at Center of Debate as School Book Bans Surge Nationally - The New York Times

Just Google and you can find a great deal of materials backed me up. I do know something about book bans as I have a MA in Librarianship and have worked in a number of different libraries of all kinds-- academic, law, and public ones.

Do you honestly not recognize the difference between certain books not being in an elementary school library and a book ban like nazi germany (your comparison)? I am beginning to think a certain group are not interested in facts.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

You are not allowed to re-write this just because you want to. It does not say the right of states to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It did not enumerate the right for states but for the people. It was trying to prevent a standing national army and to protect the rights of the states from tyrannical national government. And to do this it enumerated the right for the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. It was not talking about personal protection (from home invaders and such) and hunting as that was assumed to be so given that it did not even need to be mentioned.

Just like the 1st amendment did not specify free speech using the internet, the second amendment did not specify which arms were considered acceptable.

You did not even bother reading the discussion which is about what the Founding Fathers meant by the 2nd Amendment which was not about individual rights but about a well regulated militia.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Banning books in libraries is ridiculous. The parents can control to a certain extent which books they read at home by not getting those books from a library. And once you tell a teen they cannot do something that usually ends in them doing just that. Especially when the arts are concerned. Elvis for instance and his music for another group of teens.

Those "banned" books are not "banned" for teens. Only for young children...

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The needs of the community are part of library collection development. Those are usually the job of someone with a lot of experience assessing how well certain materials are for that library.


School librarians would also take that approach. What is good for the community as far as books included. They should not be involved in schemes to get voters for so and do by making them players in a shell game.

If you do not understand this I fear there is no room for meaningful discussion. Do you not understand that the needs or interests of a community differ from the needs of a grade school?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is not a personal decision but a professional one based on what other librarians in other school libraries are doing for their communities. They usually will keep such books in their libraries. I mean the ones some parents do not want their kids having access to but it is not up to a small group of parents but is based on long term professional practices.

So librarians will totally keep their personal opinion out of the decision and rely on what other librarians ared deciding. So, ALL books are purchased for the library. Because, to not do so would be banning and we can't have that.


And are you saying that long term professional practice of librarians is what we should rely on?

The Heroes of Desegregating in Public Libraries - Granville County Library System).

The bravery these protesters exhibited during such an important time in our nation’s history influenced three of the Supreme Court’s decisions that helped dismantle segregation in public libraries: Brown vs. Board of Education, which overran the “separate but equal” ruling in segregated schools with broader implications. Also, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed discrimination in public facilities, including public libraries. Finally, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 gave African Americans power in their local governments and thus in their local public libraries (A History of Public Libraries).

It was the "professional" librarians using "long term professional practice" to keep the public libraries segregated until the supreme court outlawed it. Sorry if I don't consider them as a group so much better to decide for the community than the community itself.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

"Not allowed in public schools" usually means also in public school libraries. Which means a book ban.