[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

The problem with your statement is these men is, they have not completed the transformation from man to women they still have their original male reproductive organs.
So if a man dresses as a women and says he is a women, I am sorry it doesn’t make you one.

This has nothing to do with "dressing as a woman." That would be a transvestite.

And the problem is that some people want someone to discriminate against because their fragile egos can't handle the fact that they might actually be somewhat less of a human than the rest of the human race.

Currently, it's transgenders. The cycle will turn back to blacks in a month or two, and then it's time again for the Muslims, and then it'll be the Jews again.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This has nothing to do with "dressing as a woman." That would be a transvestite.

And the problem is that some people want someone to discriminate against because their fragile egos can't handle the fact that they might actually be somewhat less of a human than the rest of the human race.

Currently, it's transgenders. The cycle will turn back to blacks in a month or two, and then it's time again for the Muslims, and then it'll be the Jews again.

Give me a freakin' break...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This has nothing to do with "dressing as a woman." That would be a transvestite.

And that is exactly what many trans women are doing... No hormones, no surgery. Just claiming to be women...

Many have become parodies of women. Dylan Mulvaney (of Bud Light fame) is a perfect example...

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And that is exactly what many trans women are doing... No hormones, no surgery. Just claiming to be women...

Many have become parodies of women. Dylan Mulvaney (of Bud Light fame) is a perfect example...

Given that females are going to lose scholarships to trans females, one would think the vast majority of real females would be rather upset as to where this is going.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This has nothing to do with "dressing as a woman." That would be a transvestite.

And the problem is that some people want someone to discriminate against because their fragile egos can't handle the fact that they might actually be somewhat less of a human than the rest of the human race.

Currently, it's transgenders. The cycle will turn back to blacks in a month or two, and then it's time again for the Muslims, and then it'll be the Jews again.

As I replied to you 3 pages ago, you can accuse people of trying to discriminate all you want, but you are still WRONG. It is about FAIRNESS in sports competition. You can keep repeating a lie all day long and it is still a lie!

It is you who want to descriminate against and oppress biological females.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I agree with the last part, and I don't care about sports anyway. But I don't think a "no transgenders allowed" is the right tack to take on this. I don't know what is the right tack, the idea of mixed teams seems more fair to me. And sure - even a transgender classification would be fine. If it's a mixed team, they'd have the same shot as any cis-gender man or woman at making the team.

Why do you hate women and want to take away their opportunity to compete in sports by making them compete against males and calling it "fair"??? A trans woman competing against a cis-woman would not have the same shot at making the team. That is why this thread even exists.
The transwoman would have a much greater chance to make the team because of testosterone and the effects it had on his body. If they had the same shot as a cis-gender woman at making the team that would mean they had almost no chance. They don't compete against men because they lose. Are the facts and logic tripping you up for some reason? You can't just say all men and women compete against each other is fair and have that statement magically be true. Men do have an advantage...follow the science.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This has nothing to do with "dressing as a woman." That would be a transvestite.

And the problem is that some people want someone to discriminate against because their fragile egos can't handle the fact that they might actually be somewhat less of a human than the rest of the human race.

Currently, it's transgenders. The cycle will turn back to blacks in a month or two, and then it's time again for the Muslims, and then it'll be the Jews again.

I don’t feel that’s the case in any of this discussion.

The point being driven home is biological women are entitled to compete against each other exclusively. Not every fact of life can be leveled out by wishful thinking and this is the perfect example. Men who prefer to be women are fully entitled to that choice. They cannot, however change their biology to be able to compete at the same level as woman. It’s wrong and as simple as that.

All the extra posturing trying to make women sit back and allow a separate classification of gender choices punish and discriminate against their biological bodies is ridiculous. Anyone with any level of intellect and social conscience knows this.

[jimbomaybe]

[QUOTE=Cybersprings;2216710]As I replied to you 3 pages ago, you can accuse people of trying to discriminate all you want, but you are still WRONG. It is about FAIRNESS in sports competition. You can keep repeating a lie all day long and it is still a lie!

It is you who want to descriminate against and oppress biological females.

Of course its a lie, nonsense, that's why if you do not accept the lie you must have some sort of malicious reasoning a hateful individual , what else is left when facts don't fit?

[La lamy]

Right thing to do as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for allowing people to choose their own identity, but definitely not for transgenders to cross over athletically.

[Worldseries27]

The major countries should pull out and form a counter
Olympics nearby. Wonder where the cameras would be

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

All I can say is GOOD, there needs to be a ban..It’s already been proven it would not be fair competition. End of story.

[Ldogg21]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care.

BUT, that being said, I agree that transgender women should not be competing against female athletes who were born female. This is not just about the Olympics, it is about all levels of sports, from informal competitions to the awarding of scholarships. Height and strength can make all the difference in athletic competition……

Let’s be fair.

Boomer the Moderate (an endangered species)

Easy answer. Set up a separate division for transgenders. Let them compete against each other. Men vs men, women vs women, transgender vs transgender

[Topgun 1776]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I also feel that transgender males/females shouldn't be competing for teams of the gender that doesn't match their biology. But if they compete in teams that DOES match their biology, then you'll have transgender women - who were born biologically male - competing against men. Tall women with no facial hair, no *****, wearing bras, competing with men. Because they were born with a ***** even though they no longer have one. That makes zero sense.

I'd rather see all sports open up to all genders. No more male teams and female teams. People can be on the teams selected on the merits of their abilities rather than what reproductive organs they were born with, or currently have. Yes, men are typically taller than women. But the average "random tall guy" still can't play basketball as well as the "tall chick with the full 4-year basketball scholarship at UConn."

And many of those college basketball men can't hold a candle to some of the Women Huskies.

So pick your teams with men, women, transgender, cisgender, nonbinary, whatever. If they can do the job, then they're on the team.

I'm wondering if you have ever participated in sports? None of that diatribe is anywhere near reality in the world of sports competition.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

If they were women, I'd agree.

Sometimes, reality stomps on in and crushes our most cherished fantasies.

yes, very true, and happens to every human at different times. .

behavioral law:
all humans want to be equal, but individuals want to be special

[Catfishjeff]

Easy solution: Create a transgender category or an all gender category.