[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Say if Bruce Jenner wanted to run at the 2024 Paris Olympics as a woman? Everyone would know that she had been a he. And the same would probably be the case with any Olympian at the Paris 2024 Olympics as to get to that level of competition you have to have become something of a celebrity in your country while qualifying for the Olympics.

Thank you Captain Obvious. But that is irrelevant to the discussion...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by DAVES

A new issue but not a new issue. Many years ago the Russians treated their female athletes with male hormones. Truth i do not recall if they were allowed to compete or keep medals earned. I do recall reading that the women had psychological problems and many could not have children.

I recall a supreme court justice saying any attempt to define pornography must fail but I will know it when I see it. Transgender is simply not natural. We've all seen that.

Jim Carrey used to do a bit on that, years ago, on In Living Color... "Vera de Milo"

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

I recall going to a movie with a class of high school students (mainly Native Americans) around 1975 and going to see Little Big Man. The movie had a character who dressed and acted the part of female tribal members. Cross-dressed to Kill: 20 Great Movie/TV Dudes in Drag | EW.com

Little Big Man - Rotten Tomatoes

Really do not see such behavior though as natural or unnatural. Maybe socially conditioned to see things one way.

I recall seeing Tootsie and the TV show "Bosom Buddies"...

I fail to see the connection between any of this and the discussion at hand...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Olympic Runner Caster Semenya Wants To Compete, Not Defend Her Womanhood : Live Updates: The Tokyo Olympics : NPR

And then there are women born women who have too high testosterone levels.

Caster Semenya - Wikipedia

Does Google not work in your Village? Or did you simply not read the link you provided?

"Semenya is an intersex woman, with 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency, assigned female at birth, with XY chromosomes and natural heterogametic testosterone level."

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care.

BUT, that being said, I agree that transgender women should not be competing against female athletes who were born female. This is not just about the Olympics, it is about all levels of sports, from informal competitions to the awarding of scholarships. Height and strength can make all the difference in athletic competition……

Let’s be fair.

Boomer the Moderate (an endangered species)

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

2 posts in the discussion. 1 calling an easily verifiable factual statement ridiculous and the other calling people who are trying to stand up to protect women as vile.

Quite the record....

Dear Cybersprings,

Calm the heck down and read the last paragraph in my post quoted above. Looks like you missed the part where I stood up for women’s rights — been doing that for decades.

I guess I hit a hot button with the other part of my post though. Could not bear to read beyond that maybe?

I will address your other attack in my next post, so I can include another with the same pattern of constant, condescending responses………Doppelgänger?

Boomer

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Say if Bruce Jenner wanted to run at the 2024 Paris Olympics as a woman? Everyone would know that she had been a he. And the same would probably be the case with any Olympian at the Paris 2024 Olympics as to get to that level of competition you have to have become something of a celebrity in your country while qualifying for the Olympics.

Wheaties # 12 - 8 x 10 Tee Shirt Iron On Transfer Caitlyn Jenner cereal box | eBay

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I'm sorry, I misspoke... It was only 20.8%...

Is NBC good enough for you?



This one says just under 20%...



Oh, look, over 20%!



Any other questions?

Aw, c’mon, Mintz, gotta learn to think outside the box. (I know that’s not going to happen though.)

I can see exactly how teenagers would just love skewing up and screwing up this poll — for a variety of reasons — many of those reasons have to do with messing with adults’ heads. It’s what they do.

Besides, since when do we believe everything teenagers say.

Carry on. I’m done.

Boomer

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Aw, c’mon, Mintz, gotta learn to think outside the box. (I know that’s not going to happen though.)

I can see exactly how teenagers would just love skewing up and screwing up this poll — for a variety of reasons — many of those reasons have to do with messing with adults’ heads. It’s what they do.

Besides, since when do we believe everything teenagers say.

Carry on. I’m done.

Boomer

Right... That's got to be the answer... Teenagers make up sh!t to invalidate multiple polls that all miraculously show the same results...

But we better damn sure believe them when they tell us they are (insert the gender/pronoun of the month) or you're cancelled... Which is it?

Carry on...

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Aw, c’mon, Mintz, gotta learn to think outside the box. (I know that’s not going to happen though.)

I can see exactly how teenagers would just love skewing up and screwing up this poll — for a variety of reasons — many of those reasons have to do with messing with adults’ heads. It’s what they do.

Besides, since when do we believe everything teenagers say.

Carry on. I’m done.

Boomer

Bingo.

My granddaughter, who lands somewhere between "millennial" and "gen z" (more toward millennial) just shakes her head when she hears or reads these types of discussions. According to her at least 90%, probably more, of the people in those two age groups who "identify" as LGBTQ do so precisely for the attention. This, I think, is borne out when one compares the numbers in the graph to the Gen X and the Boomers. Subtract the LG from the set of initials, the incidence of which without knowing the precise numbers would seem to be close to the incidence of gays and lesbians in the population overall, and you're left with the BTQ. And given that, it begs the question, just why are there so MANY BTQ people in the Gen x - millennial group?

The only answer that makes sense (unless one leans toward the "epidemic" mindset) is the attention that making the claim gets one.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Bingo.

My granddaughter, who lands somewhere between "millennial" and "gen z" (more toward millennial) just shakes her head when she hears or reads these types of discussions. According to her at least 90%, probably more, of the people in those two age groups who "identify" as LGBTQ do so precisely for the attention. This, I think, is borne out when one compares the numbers in the graph to the Gen X and the Boomers. Subtract the LG from the set of initials, the incidence of which without knowing the precise numbers would seem to be close to the incidence of gays and lesbians in the population overall, and you're left with the BTQ. And given that, it begs the question, just why are there so MANY BTQ people in the Gen x - millennial group?

The only answer that makes sense (unless one leans toward the "epidemic" mindset) is the attention that making the claim gets one.

Probably because being gay/lesbian/bi is no longer seen as unnatural.

And "transgender" is very complicated when you start digging into it.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Dear Cybersprings,

Calm the heck down and read the last paragraph in my post quoted above. Looks like you missed the part where I stood up for women’s rights — been doing that for decades.

I guess I hit a hot button with the other part of my post though. Could not bear to read beyond that maybe?

I will address your other attack in my next post, so I can include another with the same pattern of constant, condescending responses………Doppelgänger?

Boomer

The fact that you agree that transgender women should not be competing in women's sports does not negate:

"I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care."

You made personal attacks on all the other people supporting biological women in this thread. You call people vile. You accuse people of hatred and attacking. Were you expecting no one to react to your unwarranted untrue attacks? But referencing the 2 posts you made and saying "nice record" is more than you can handle? Are we supposed to build a safe space for you?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Besides, since when do we believe everything teenagers say.

Carry on. I’m done.

Boomer

After thinking about this for another 60 seconds, MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE PERFORMING SURGERIES TO MUTILATE TEENAGERS based on what they say. Are you kidding me????

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

My Bride says I identify as a 12 year old at times.

Well...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Bingo.

My granddaughter, who lands somewhere between "millennial" and "gen z" (more toward millennial) just shakes her head when she hears or reads these types of discussions. According to her at least 90%, probably more, of the people in those two age groups who "identify" as LGBTQ do so precisely for the attention. This, I think, is borne out when one compares the numbers in the graph to the Gen X and the Boomers. Subtract the LG from the set of initials, the incidence of which without knowing the precise numbers would seem to be close to the incidence of gays and lesbians in the population overall, and you're left with the BTQ. And given that, it begs the question, just why are there so MANY BTQ people in the Gen x - millennial group?

The only answer that makes sense (unless one leans toward the "epidemic" mindset) is the attention that making the claim gets one.

Did you miss the part where I said the sudden rise was due to "Social Media"? And that I said "Identify as"?

Of course it's for attention...

Just recently the actress, Marcia Gay Harden just had to announce that ALL 4 of her children are LGBT. One of the "Real Housewives" announced that 3 of her 4 children were, as well. Really? That many in ONE family?

Bill Mahr (sp?) talks about how you can't go to a dinner party in LA or NYC without parents talking about their multiple LGBT children...

He thinks it must be something in the water...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Probably because being gay/lesbian/bi is no longer seen as unnatural.

And "transgender" is very complicated when you start digging into it.

Somebody missed the point of the post they responded to...