[DAVES]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

A new issue but not a new issue. Many years ago the Russians treated their female athletes with male hormones. Truth i do not recall if they were allowed to compete or keep medals earned. I do recall reading that the women had psychological problems and many could not have children.

I recall a supreme court justice saying any attempt to define pornography must fail but I will know it when I see it. Transgender is simply not natural. We've all seen that.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Are you suggesting that everyone should have the opportunity to participate in whatever category they choose, regardless of fairness of competition?

Fair, what is fair. I should win a gold Olympic medal for being several times 20 and sitting on my butt posting. I am working out right now.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'll assume that there wouldn't be any, because they've already been told they had to live with the shame of being "other" and no one would pick them anyway as a result. On the other hand, if being something other than straight hetero biological AND psychological male or female only were accepted by society - not as "common" but as "not an aberration/defect of nature worthy of scorn and shame" then there might well have been some, by now.

It's not sophistry. It's called acceptance of "other" even if you don't understand it, or like it, and trying to include everyone in whatever capacity they are able and interested.

No one needs a participation trophy. But everyone should have the opportunity to participate.

Why would you shame transgenders? I don’t get that but perhaps you could tell us that we need to get rid of The Special Olympics.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Currently, it's transgenders. The cycle will turn back to blacks in a month or two, and then it's time again for the Muslims, and then it'll be the Jews again.

Let’s revisit that comment around July 4 to see if you are correct.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Oh, puhleese — that is a ridiculous statement……

Please cite your source.

Boomer

I'm sorry, I misspoke... It was only 20.8%...

Is NBC good enough for you?



This one says just under 20%...



Oh, look, over 20%!



Any other questions?

[Taltarzac725]

Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

I recall going to a movie with a class of high school students (mainly Native Americans) around 1975 and going to see Little Big Man. The movie had a character who dressed and acted the part of female tribal members. Cross-dressed to Kill: 20 Great Movie/TV Dudes in Drag | EW.com

Little Big Man - Rotten Tomatoes

Really do not see such behavior though as natural or unnatural. Maybe socially conditioned to see things one way.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

A report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, released on Thursday, reveals that nearly one-fourth of high school students identify as LGBTQ, based on 2021 data from 17,508 students in 152 schools across the country. In contrast, 75.5% of students identify as heterosexual.

According to the CDC’s Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System, the number of LGBTQ students has increased by 11% from 2015 to 2021. This significant uptick may be due to the wording surrounding students who are questioning their sexuality, the researchers note.

Scary, isn't it?

Oh, Puleeze... Boomer says that's ridiculous...

[Worldseries27]

To all thread starters
1. If a transgender to female won the u.s.a. Presidency would the glass ceiling be broken. How about only yes or no answers like a voting machine reduces it to.
2nd
why does the above transgender issues remind me of cowardly males on the titanic who impersonated females to save their own lives by dooming women and children alike.
3. Disney claimed its workers prevailed upon them to take the social stand on our children's education that it has.
A. Please give us a head count of the number of employees who did so.
B. What percentage of your employees does that number represent.
3. I'm holding my breath

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

This is the topic and not transgenders competing in all sports. A woman who used to be a man can run in the Paris 2024 Olympics with the men. And what would seem fairer is just exactly are this contestant's abilities? Maybe they are slower than all the men?

Then they should run in the men's division... Win or lose...

Their abilities have nothing to do with who they run against...

A mediocre male college runner can easily beat a top college female runner...

Same with Olympic runners...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2owT63VIk

"Lindsey Vonn: I’d probably die skiing against men".

I did find this interesting-- a top woman skier who petitioned to compete against the men.

And she states that she didn't think she would ever beat the top male skiers...

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then they should run in the men's division... Win or lose...

Their abilities have nothing to do with who they run against...

A mediocre male college runner can easily beat a top college female runner...

Same with Olympic runners...

Yep.

But how about this for a solution? Three categories--high school, college, pro, Olympics, whatever.

1. Men
2. Women
3. Other

[Taltarzac725]

Olympic Runner Caster Semenya Wants To Compete, Not Defend Her Womanhood : Live Updates: The Tokyo Olympics : NPR

And then there are women born women who have too high testosterone levels.

Caster Semenya - Wikipedia

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

To all thread starters
1. If a transgender to female won the u.s.a. Presidency would the glass ceiling be broken. How about only yes or no answers like a voting machine reduces it to.
2nd
why does the above transgender issues remind me of cowardly males on the titanic who impersonated females to save their own lives by dooming women and children alike.
3. Disney claimed its workers prevailed upon them to take the social stand on our children's education that it has.
A. Please give us a head count of the number of employees who did so.
B. What percentage of your employees does that number represent.
3. I'm holding my breath

1. Yes
2nd. Sounds like a personal issue
3. You'll have to contact Disney for that information. It is highly unlikely that they are monitoring this forum just waiting for your inquiry. While we have experts in everything on these boards, only Disney would have any such polling results
3. (again?) You should have numbered the questions before holding your breath; the lack of oxygen appears to have had a negative effect.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'll assume that there wouldn't be any, because they've already been told they had to live with the shame of being "other" and no one would pick them anyway as a result. On the other hand, if being something other than straight hetero biological AND psychological male or female only were accepted by society - not as "common" but as "not an aberration/defect of nature worthy of scorn and shame" then there might well have been some, by now.

It's not sophistry. It's called acceptance of "other" even if you don't understand it, or like it, and trying to include everyone in whatever capacity they are able and interested.

No one needs a participation trophy. But everyone should have the opportunity to participate.

Nice kumbaya response... But it's irrelevant to the discussion...

No one says people can't live however they want (okay, a few do, but they're in the minority)...

This conversation is about biological MEN competing against biological WOMEN. Biology gives the MEN a significant advantage.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Olympic Runner Caster Semenya Wants To Compete, Not Defend Her Womanhood : Live Updates: The Tokyo Olympics : NPR

And then there are women born women who have too high testosterone levels.

Caster Semenya - Wikipedia

From the very article you referenced"

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XY chromosomes - not female.
Notice the article does not say that she was born female --that is intentionally omitted. So, no, this is not about "women born women who have too high testosterone"