[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GoFarm

You are painting with a wide brush. The overwhelming majority of police officers are doing good. They shouldn't all be tarnished because of the action of a sole maniac.

She's not painting, there's no wide brush. This thread isn't about what all police do or don't do. It's about one dead man at the hands of four very specific police officers.

Also to whoever posted on the other page about this: If he had not resisted arrest, he still would've been dead. He didn't "voluntarily" lower himself to the floor. He fell over at the curb. One of the two videos shows that very clearly. The police report states that he was already handcuffed, and restrained on the ground, at the time when Chauvin applied his knee to Floyd's neck. The other video showed that one cop was kneeling on his legs, another cop was kneeling on his back, and Chauvin was kneeling on his neck. While he was handcuffed, face down on the pavement. It was NOT POSSIBLE for him to resist arrest at that point. He was struggling to breathe.

Try it yourself. Have someone handcuff you, and face you down on the blacktop pavement, stomach to the ground. Then have someone kneel on the backs of your legs. And have someone kneel on the middle of your back. And another person kneel on the side of your neck. And just kinda - lay there for 8 minutes.

Good luck.

[golf4wendy]

thanks for sharing, she is one smart and beautiful girl.

[NoMoSno]

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[GoFarm]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

She's not painting, there's no wide brush. This thread isn't about what all police do or don't do. It's about one dead man at the hands of four very specific police officers.

Also to whoever posted on the other page about this: If he had not resisted arrest, he still would've been dead. He didn't "voluntarily" lower himself to the floor. He fell over at the curb. One of the two videos shows that very clearly. The police report states that he was already handcuffed, and restrained on the ground, at the time when Chauvin applied his knee to Floyd's neck. The other video showed that one cop was kneeling on his legs, another cop was kneeling on his back, and Chauvin was kneeling on his neck. While he was handcuffed, face down on the pavement. It was NOT POSSIBLE for him to resist arrest at that point. He was struggling to breathe.

Try it yourself. Have someone handcuff you, and face you down on the blacktop pavement, stomach to the ground. Then have someone kneel on the backs of your legs. And have someone kneel on the middle of your back. And another person kneel on the side of your neck. And just kinda - lay there for 8 minutes.

Good luck.

Bellavita didn't write that Mr. Floyd was killed by four very specific police officers, what was written was, "...and THE POLICE killed him". That's the wide wide brush (which is an analogy, BTW).

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The preliminary SUMMARY that was released to the public mentioned intoxication. Looking at the actual autopsy report you find he had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his bloodstream. That is equivalent of .019mg. The average medically appropriate dose of fentanyl for assisting with ventilation analgesics is 25-100 mcg, which is between .025 and .1 mg. So he had under half the standard medical dose for people who actually benefit from its use, at the time of the autopsy. Not high. Perhaps feeling a bit woozy but fentanyl wouldn't cause someone to resist arrest. It would cause them to really not care much about it at all.

You in way over your head. People have overdosed and died with levels of 11ng/ml of fentanyl. You have picked the most extreme dosages (they are actually considered off label) and said that's a standard medical dose of fentanyl.

General Anesthesia
Minor surgical procedures: 0.5-2 mcg/kg/dose IV

Major surgery: 2-20 mcg/kg/dose initially; 1-2 mcg/kg/hr maintenance infusion IV; discontinue infusion 30-60 min prior to end of surgery; limit total fentanyl doses to 10-15 mcg/kg for fast tracking and early extubation

Adjunct to general anesthesia (rarely used): 20-50 mcg/kg/dose IV

Analgesia (Off-label)
Analgesia: 1-2 mcg/kg IV bolus or 25-100 mcg/dose PRN or 1-2 mcg/kg/hr by continuous IV infusion or 25-200 mcg/hr

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

You in way over your head. People have overdosed and died with levels of 11ng/ml of fentanyl. You have picked the most extreme dosages (they are actually considered off label) and said that's a standard medical dose of fentanyl.

General Anesthesia
Minor surgical procedures: 0.5-2 mcg/kg/dose IV

Major surgery: 2-20 mcg/kg/dose initially; 1-2 mcg/kg/hr maintenance infusion IV; discontinue infusion 30-60 min prior to end of surgery; limit total fentanyl doses to 10-15 mcg/kg for fast tracking and early extubation

Adjunct to general anesthesia (rarely used): 20-50 mcg/kg/dose IV

Analgesia (Off-label)
Analgesia: 1-2 mcg/kg IV bolus or 25-100 mcg/dose PRN or 1-2 mcg/kg/hr by continuous IV infusion or 25-200 mcg/hr

Oh my goodness... are you inferring several posters have taken an itsy-bitsy point out of an 18-minute video...misrepresented the point...and have disingenuously attempted to smear the author based on their misrepresentation? Absolutely shocking!

[Bucco]

Not trying to change topic, but here we have a host of a national syndicated show telling a black athlete (Lebron James) to shut up and dribble awhile back on his comments, then on Drew Bree's, a white athlete, saying " he has a right to his opinion". They were speaking on the same issue.

What might be the difference

LeBron James calls out Laura Ingraham for defending Drew Brees

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GoFarm

Bellavita didn't write that Mr. Floyd was killed by four very specific police officers, what was written was, "...and THE POLICE killed him". That's the wide wide brush (which is an analogy, BTW).

The police DID kill him. It wasn't "the angry mob" or "the protesters" or "the pedestrians" or "the passersby" or "the people crossing the street." And everyone would know, if you had used any of those phrases, that it wasn't ALL angry mobs, and it wouldn't have been ALL protesters, or ALL pedestrians, or ALL passersby, or ALL the people crossing the street. In any other situation, you would know that she was referring to the specific police who were there at the time. It wasn't just one police officer. It was four police officers. So the use of the plural form of "police" was accurate and appropriate.

The police DID kill him. Four police officers, to be specific. "THE" (meaning - something other than ALL) police did kill George Floyd.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not trying to change topic, but here we have a host of a national syndicated show telling a black athlete (Lebron James) to shut up and dribble awhile back on his comments, then on Drew Bree's, a white athlete, saying " he has a right to his opinion". They were speaking on the same issue.

What might be the difference

LeBron James calls out Laura Ingraham for defending Drew Brees

I know, I know...pick me.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

You in way over your head. People have overdosed and died with levels of 11ng/ml of fentanyl. You have picked the most extreme dosages (they are actually considered off label) and said that's a standard medical dose of fentanyl.

General Anesthesia
Minor surgical procedures: 0.5-2 mcg/kg/dose IV

Major surgery: 2-20 mcg/kg/dose initially; 1-2 mcg/kg/hr maintenance infusion IV; discontinue infusion 30-60 min prior to end of surgery; limit total fentanyl doses to 10-15 mcg/kg for fast tracking and early extubation

Adjunct to general anesthesia (rarely used): 20-50 mcg/kg/dose IV

Analgesia (Off-label)
Analgesia: 1-2 mcg/kg IV bolus or 25-100 mcg/dose PRN or 1-2 mcg/kg/hr by continuous IV infusion or 25-200 mcg/hr

Do you not understand what the /kg part of that means? It means "per kilogram." In layman's terms the 1-2 micrograms would be multiplied by however many kilograms the person weighs, and that would be the dosage. A kilogram is a bit more than 2 pounds. So if someone weighs 200 pounds, you'd give them100-200 micrograms total. //

EDITED the last bit because I multiplied where I should've divided. The point stands. 11-19 mcg of fentanyl or methamphetamine is not enough to make someone go off and become dangerous while resisting arrest.

[tophcfa]

Thanks for posting the video, it was very interesting. She brought up several things I have not thought about. There are always two sides to every discussion and it is worth closely listening to both sides.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No, she said - "he was high." Her words. The autopsy report doesn't say that. She says it. And the amount of drugs in his bloodstream indicates that he was likely NOT "high" at the time of his murder. He might've dosed up several hours earlier and it took that long to wear off, but for his height, weight, body type - that amount of drugs in his system would've been similar to the average person taking a teaspoon of cold medicine and someone who lives with ADHD to take their daily dose of adderal.

You ignore the point of her rant. That is, that even though he was murdered, he was not the kind of person that you put on a pedestal and idolize . And then protest, riot, steal, kill even after the killer is in jail. Why such illegal activity? Think of all the harm this is causing. Support for that activity is far worse than her opinions.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not trying to change topic, but here we have a host of a national syndicated show telling a black athlete (Lebron James) to shut up and dribble awhile back on his comments, then on Drew Bree's, a white athlete, saying " he has a right to his opinion". They were speaking on the same issue.

What might be the difference

LeBron James calls out Laura Ingraham for defending Drew Brees

I will tell you the difference. Lebron James was being a complete (fill in the blank).

“The climate is hot,” James replied. He said that for the “No. 1 job in America,” the “appointed person” is “someone who doesn’t understand the people, and really don’t give a f— about the people.”

He was also being one when he defended the Chinese Communist Party . You know the ones with the concentration camps for Uyghurs? And who were shutting down Churches and arresting Christians never to be seen again? He was upset because Americans expressed support for the protesters in Hong Kong who simply want to retain basic freedoms they have enjoyed for over 100 years. It was costing him money.

Laura Ingraham wrote a book titled "Shut up and Sing" when she criticized the lunatic ravings of Hollywood elites and singers. The vast majority of them white. So she used a similar turn of phrase to criticize Lebron James. What else could she use? Shut up and shoot a free throw? If he was a golfer who said the same stupid comment it probably would have been Shut Up and putt.

This is what Drew Brees said:
“I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.”

Can you see the difference in tone and respect between their two stated opinions?

Probably not. It is so much easier to brand people with whom you disagree with as racists rather than engaging them in a Socratic fashion.

[Tracy Turnbull]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

How has she publicly defended Hitler?? Did you see the entore story or even watch the clip? She never even hinted that she supports Hitler. IF you would have watched, you would have actually heard Ms Owens correcting Mr Lieu and completely clarifying what HE was trying to do to HER...twist her words completely to fit HIS story. Eerily similar to MSM...and not the first time their narratives match btw. She just doesn't fall for it. I applaud it.
She is an intelligent woman and I respect her fearlessness in standing up for herself and others.
Anyone who watches the full clip posted will get the TRUTH....of course she didn't support Hitler! That's utterly ridiculous.
Get the full story.... instead of just spewing innaccuracy and untruths 👀

[Tracy Turnbull]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Speaking of exposed, I keep hearing "all lives matter" but apparently reality is different.

Attachment 84461

George Floyd (ex con, drug addict)
Nonstop nationwide news reports, protests, riots etc

Attachment 84462

David Dorn (ex Police Chief, mentor to disadvantaged children)
NO non stop nationwide news reports protests, riots etc

Very little coverage...and very sad. Just doesn't fit the post Corona narrative today. Let's see what's next for the states having trouble now...
Bankruptcy?
Marshall law to keep people in because of a few?
Mail in voting?
MORE (perhaps intentional) Nursing Home deaths?
...how about everything being Trump's fault?
...see any patterns yet??
Lifetime politicians were not the intent and should not be allowed. It is soiling a great nation of (mostly) great people...like David Dorn and good men like him....just sad. 😢