[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by ithos

I will tell you the difference. Lebron James was being a complete (fill in the blank).

“The climate is hot,” James replied. He said that for the “No. 1 job in America,” the “appointed person” is “someone who doesn’t understand the people, and really don’t give a f— about the people.”

He was also being one when he defended the Chinese Communist Party . You know the ones with the concentration camps for Uyghurs? And who were shutting down Churches and arresting Christians never to be seen again? He was upset because Americans expressed support for the protesters in Hong Kong who simply want to retain basic freedoms they have enjoyed for over 100 years. It was costing him money.

Laura Ingraham wrote a book titled "Shut up and Sing" when she criticized the lunatic ravings of Hollywood elites and singers. The vast majority of them white. So she used a similar turn of phrase to criticize Lebron James. What else could she use? Shut up and shoot a free throw? If he was a golfer who said the same stupid comment it probably would have been Shut Up and putt.

This is what Drew Brees said:
“I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.”

Can you see the difference in tone and respect between their two stated opinions?

Probably not. It is so much easier to brand people with whom you disagree with as racists rather than engaging them in a Socratic fashion.

Wrong, the difference is right there in front of anyone...who wants to see.

You say that LeBron "was being a complete (fill in the blank)," but Brees "tone and respect" makes his voice/comments more legitimate...which is pure BS.

LeBron has done a whole lot to help communities & education, using his personal money and giving his personal time.

Laura Ingraham has a well-deserved reputation as being a racist/bigot with her even promoting a white supremacist on her show...in which she lost an advertiser.

Her own brother, who is gay (and everyone knows how she feels about gays also)...says it was probably inherited.

'''She'''s a monster''': Laura Ingraham'''s gay brother lashes out in interview

"She's a monster."

“Our father was a Nazi sympathizer, racist, anti-Semite and homophobe,” Curtis Ingraham, who is gay, wrote alongside a video of his sister.

“Like father like daughter?”

So no, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows exactly what Ingraham stands for...and it's NOT racial equality.


P.S. Brees was big enough to admit that he made a mistake with his tone-deaf original statement and apologized, but you'll never see an Ingraham or others of her disgusting ilk...doing the same.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.

[fritzy]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

"Candace Amber Owens Farmer is an American conservative commentator and political activist. She is known for her pro-Trump activism that began around 2016 after being initially very critical of Trump and the Republican Party, and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party." Wikipedia

This says it all.

You do realize that Wiki is largely written and maintained
by liberals and those on the left.

[Taltarzac725]

ASA Condemns Systemic Racism in the Criminal Justice System | American Sociological Association

Use Google some more. Try to get an idea of what some African-American men are up against even in the US in 2020.

My nephew who is African American when he was about 6 and had been visiting the Villages pointed at his skin and told me it is only this deep while holding his fingers a paper thin space apart. This would have been about 2011 as he has to bend down to get his Afro through the door now. Or, at least, the last time they visited the Villages.

My late younger brother had married a Jamaican around 2007. They both experienced a lot of racism from both whites and blacks because of their mixed marriage.

[bilcon]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

I thought there were no politics permitted. I guess the other side have moved to this site.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by John_W

Researched where and how? Main street media is usually right? Narrow-mindedness usually starts at home!!!!!! Watch the video again without blinders on, you might learn something NEW!!!!

Her video is garbage.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by bilcon

I thought there were no politics permitted. I guess the other side have moved to this site.

So what are you saying?

That you don't think 'your' majority...is big enough?

[transplanted]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

...and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying. Not surprising for her, she does this often.

Are you able to point us to published references where she did the above and we can check it out? thanks.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.

But, but, but how can that be? At a memorial service they had a poster of George Floyd with wings and a halo. Surely such a saint couldn't have done so much as spit on the sidewalk, much less all those charges on his rap sheet.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Her video is garbage.

How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!!

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And then we watch as so many (coerced by their union) applaud and support, two cops who shoved a 75 year old man to the ground as we watched it happening, causing a serious head injury...then not even stopping to help.

THIS from the people hired to..."Serve & Protect?"

What's wrong with this picture?

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!! A person who only looks at the surface of matter and doesn't do any research will jump at conclusions. The Mayor of Buffalo, a African American Democrat can even see this person is nothing more than an agitator!! He has comprehension about the situation. Buffalo is a blue collar town, this Mayor has a head on his shoulders!!!




Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The preliminary SUMMARY that was released to the public mentioned intoxication. Looking at the actual autopsy report you find he had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his bloodstream. That is equivalent of .019mg. The average medically appropriate dose of fentanyl for assisting with ventilation analgesics is 25-100 mcg, which is between .025 and .1 mg. So he had under half the standard medical dose for people who actually benefit from its use, at the time of the autopsy. Not high. Perhaps feeling a bit woozy but fentanyl wouldn't cause someone to resist arrest. It would cause them to really not care much about it at all.

The methamphetamine in his bloodstream was higher - 19ng/ml. Now - methamphetamine, in a high enough dose, would absolutely make someone feisty. And dangerous. But at .19, he had in his body less than 10% of the standard dose of methamphetamine than the average person with ADHD takes every day to keep them calm. So again - not high. In the case of this particular chemical, not even particularly excited.

I'm mostly retired. It's raining. I have nothing better to do for much of the day other than learn things. It's a life long learning experience to me. I love learning new information. What I don't love, is people taking snippets of what other people say in summary of something that is factual, but not explained to the layman, and coming to conclusions and basing their opinion on these summary snippets - publishing them for the world to see, and then seeing an entire thread of people applauding that person for being courageous - even though that person clearly didn't present facts at all.

There are MULTIPLE, MAJOR problems with that analysis, and probably even more than I know since my specialty is not forensic toxicology and pharmacokinetics.

First of all, you would have to know the AVD (apparent volume of distribution) of fentanyl in a living person. You would have to know the volume of all his fluid spaces (blood, plasma, tissue). You would have to know the pharmacokinetics of all the fentanyl metabolites. And you would have to know the time he took the dose, the route of administration and the half life of fentanyl and perhaps its metabolites. Then you would have to know the half life in a dead person,. since many cells continue to work after a person is "dead".

In short, the levels found at autopsy have nothing to do with his levels while he was being arrested or how much of an initial dose he took, and the simple extrapolation that was presented is essentially worthless. And the problems I mentioned are just off the top of my head, an expert in the field could probably point out many more.

All that technical babble aside, the victim is still dead as a result of blatant excessive force. Still, everyone should calm down and let the criminal justice system do its job. Rioting and looting only exacerbates the problem.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

There are MULTIPLE, MAJOR problems with that analysis, and probably even more than I know since my specialty is not forensic toxicology and pharmacokinetics.

First of all, you would have to know the AVD (apparent volume of distribution) of fentanyl in a living person. You would have to know the volume of all his fluid spaces (blood, plasma, tissue). You would have to know the pharmacokinetics of all the fentanyl metabolites. And you would have to know the time he took the dose, the route of administration and the half life of fentanyl and perhaps its metabolites. Then you would have to know the half life in a dead person,. since many cells continue to work after a person is "dead".

In short, the levels found at autopsy have nothing to do with his levels while he was being arrested or how much of an initial dose he took, and the simple extrapolation that was presented is essentially worthless. And the problems I mentioned are just off the top of my head, an expert in the field could probably point out many more.

All that technical babble aside, the victim is still dead as a result of blatant excessive force. Still, everyone should calm down and let the criminal justice system do its job. Rioting and looting only exacerbates the problem.

Exactly their intent to promote their agenda.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by John_W

How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!!

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) [I]on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."

Feeling silly?

Hardly.

I can't help but laugh...and shake my head in disgust.

A lesson in comprehension is definitely in order...but it's not for me.

Read it again..."According to what was reported to me"..."said he was told."

NOW, I wonder exactly who...was "doing the reporting"?

I'll help you.

It's the exact same ones, who support the act and the two that did it...as we ALL watched with our own eyes.

[OhioBuckeye]

Candace Owens: I hear what you're saying but I feel for G. Floyd. George was passing a $20. counterfit bill which is against the law & he should of been arrested for that, but to kill someone for this, this cop was racist. I don't blame the the people for protesting. Protest, but don't loot & burn businesses down, that's not protesting. Do they really think G. Floyd wants to be remember for that. These protesters just wanted a reason to make us feel they were protesting for a good reason. Personally the looters should of be shot when caught running out of stores with arms full of merchandise. All this did was raise our taxes. Floyd was contained he couldn't fight anybody off of him, he surrendered. Hope this protest ends real quick so our tax dollars can start rebuilding these businesses, & the govt. will use our taxes to rebuild. Don't think our tax dollars won't, the govt. has nowhere else to get money!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Main street media is usually right.

They really nailed that Russian collusion thing for 3 years.