Sounds more like he took his daily dose of meth (laced with fentanyl!) Floyd was a multi-decade drug addict, based on his prison record. He was high (according to his toxicology report), resisted arrest, refused to get into the police vehicle, voluntarily dropped to his knees (based on video surveillance) to resist arrest. The common denominator in all these cases is the suspect RESISTS ARREST. If George had cooperated with police, he, like many before, would be alive today.

NO, he did not deserve a knee to the neck till death... for the umpteenth millionth time. BUT... had he not resisted arrest, he would be alive today... like many before.

Ears.....meet silence. That's what it boils down to.
Steve

The preliminary SUMMARY that was released to the public mentioned intoxication. Looking at the actual autopsy report you find he had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his bloodstream. That is equivalent of .019mg. The average medically appropriate dose of fentanyl for assisting with ventilation analgesics is 25-100 mcg, which is between .025 and .1 mg. So he had under half the standard medical dose for people who actually benefit from its use, at the time of the autopsy. Not high. Perhaps feeling a bit woozy but fentanyl wouldn't cause someone to resist arrest. It would cause them to really not care much about it at all.

The methamphetamine in his bloodstream was higher - 19ng/ml. Now - methamphetamine, in a high enough dose, would absolutely make someone feisty. And dangerous. But at .19, he had in his body less than 10% of the standard dose of methamphetamine than the average person with ADHD takes every day to keep them calm. So again - not high. In the case of this particular chemical, not even particularly excited.

I'm mostly retired. It's raining. I have nothing better to do for much of the day other than learn things. It's a life long learning experience to me. I love learning new information. What I don't love, is people taking snippets of what other people say in summary of something that is factual, but not explained to the layman, and coming to conclusions and basing their opinion on these summary snippets - publishing them for the world to see, and then seeing an entire thread of people applauding that person for being courageous - even though that person clearly didn't present facts at all.

You are painting with a wide brush. The overwhelming majority of police officers are doing good. They shouldn't all be tarnished because of the action of a sole maniac.

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She's not painting, there's no wide brush. This thread isn't about what all police do or don't do. It's about one dead man at the hands of four very specific police officers.

Also to whoever posted on the other page about this: If he had not resisted arrest, he still would've been dead. He didn't "voluntarily" lower himself to the floor. He fell over at the curb. One of the two videos shows that very clearly. The police report states that he was already handcuffed, and restrained on the ground, at the time when Chauvin applied his knee to Floyd's neck. The other video showed that one cop was kneeling on his legs, another cop was kneeling on his back, and Chauvin was kneeling on his neck. While he was handcuffed, face down on the pavement. It was NOT POSSIBLE for him to resist arrest at that point. He was struggling to breathe.

Try it yourself. Have someone handcuff you, and face you down on the blacktop pavement, stomach to the ground. Then have someone kneel on the backs of your legs. And have someone kneel on the middle of your back. And another person kneel on the side of your neck. And just kinda - lay there for 8 minutes.

Good luck.

thanks for sharing, she is one smart and beautiful girl.

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Bellavita didn't write that Mr. Floyd was killed by four very specific police officers, what was written was, "...and THE POLICE killed him". That's the wide wide brush (which is an analogy, BTW).

You in way over your head. People have overdosed and died with levels of 11ng/ml of fentanyl. You have picked the most extreme dosages (they are actually considered off label) and said that's a standard medical dose of fentanyl.

General Anesthesia
Minor surgical procedures: 0.5-2 mcg/kg/dose IV

Major surgery: 2-20 mcg/kg/dose initially; 1-2 mcg/kg/hr maintenance infusion IV; discontinue infusion 30-60 min prior to end of surgery; limit total fentanyl doses to 10-15 mcg/kg for fast tracking and early extubation

Adjunct to general anesthesia (rarely used): 20-50 mcg/kg/dose IV

Analgesia (Off-label)
Analgesia: 1-2 mcg/kg IV bolus or 25-100 mcg/dose PRN or 1-2 mcg/kg/hr by continuous IV infusion or 25-200 mcg/hr

Oh my goodness... are you inferring several posters have taken an itsy-bitsy point out of an 18-minute video...misrepresented the point...and have disingenuously attempted to smear the author based on their misrepresentation? Absolutely shocking! :ohdear:

Not trying to change topic, but here we have a host of a national syndicated show telling a black athlete (Lebron James) to shut up and dribble awhile back on his comments, then on Drew Bree's, a white athlete, saying " he has a right to his opinion". They were speaking on the same issue.

What might be the difference

LeBron James calls out Laura Ingraham for defending Drew Brees

The police DID kill him. It wasn't "the angry mob" or "the protesters" or "the pedestrians" or "the passersby" or "the people crossing the street." And everyone would know, if you had used any of those phrases, that it wasn't ALL angry mobs, and it wouldn't have been ALL protesters, or ALL pedestrians, or ALL passersby, or ALL the people crossing the street. In any other situation, you would know that she was referring to the specific police who were there at the time. It wasn't just one police officer. It was four police officers. So the use of the plural form of "police" was accurate and appropriate.

The police DID kill him. Four police officers, to be specific. "THE" (meaning - something other than ALL) police did kill George Floyd.

I know, I know...pick me. :MOJE_whot:

Do you not understand what the /kg part of that means? It means "per kilogram." In layman's terms the 1-2 micrograms would be multiplied by however many kilograms the person weighs, and that would be the dosage. A kilogram is a bit more than 2 pounds. So if someone weighs 200 pounds, you'd give them100-200 micrograms total. //

EDITED the last bit because I multiplied where I should've divided. The point stands. 11-19 mcg of fentanyl or methamphetamine is not enough to make someone go off and become dangerous while resisting arrest.

Thanks for posting the video, it was very interesting. She brought up several things I have not thought about. There are always two sides to every discussion and it is worth closely listening to both sides.

You ignore the point of her rant. That is, that even though he was murdered, he was not the kind of person that you put on a pedestal and idolize . And then protest, riot, steal, kill even after the killer is in jail. Why such illegal activity? Think of all the harm this is causing. Support for that activity is far worse than her opinions.

I will tell you the difference. Lebron James was being a complete (fill in the blank).

“The climate is hot,” James replied. He said that for the “No. 1 job in America,” the “appointed person” is “someone who doesn’t understand the people, and really don’t give a f— about the people.”

He was also being one when he defended the Chinese Communist Party . You know the ones with the concentration camps for Uyghurs? And who were shutting down Churches and arresting Christians never to be seen again? He was upset because Americans expressed support for the protesters in Hong Kong who simply want to retain basic freedoms they have enjoyed for over 100 years. It was costing him money.

Laura Ingraham wrote a book titled "Shut up and Sing" when she criticized the lunatic ravings of Hollywood elites and singers. The vast majority of them white. So she used a similar turn of phrase to criticize Lebron James. What else could she use? Shut up and shoot a free throw? If he was a golfer who said the same stupid comment it probably would have been Shut Up and putt.

This is what Drew Brees said:
“I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.”

Can you see the difference in tone and respect between their two stated opinions?

Probably not. It is so much easier to brand people with whom you disagree with as racists rather than engaging them in a Socratic fashion.

How has she publicly defended Hitler?? Did you see the entore story or even watch the clip? She never even hinted that she supports Hitler. IF you would have watched, you would have actually heard Ms Owens correcting Mr Lieu and completely clarifying what HE was trying to do to HER...twist her words completely to fit HIS story. Eerily similar to MSM...and not the first time their narratives match btw. She just doesn't fall for it. I applaud it.
She is an intelligent woman and I respect her fearlessness in standing up for herself and others.
Anyone who watches the full clip posted will get the TRUTH....of course she didn't support Hitler! That's utterly ridiculous.
Get the full story.... instead of just spewing innaccuracy and untruths 👀

Very little coverage...and very sad. Just doesn't fit the post Corona narrative today. Let's see what's next for the states having trouble now...
Bankruptcy?
Marshall law to keep people in because of a few?
Mail in voting?
MORE (perhaps intentional) Nursing Home deaths?
...how about everything being Trump's fault?
...see any patterns yet??
Lifetime politicians were not the intent and should not be allowed. It is soiling a great nation of (mostly) great people...like David Dorn and good men like him....just sad. 😢

Candace Owens - mainstream
 

If she is mainstream there is no hope for America.

Opinions on flags and stickers
 

[QUOTE=jacksonbrown;1778182]And that is just what is wrong with the post baby boomer generations.

When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that doesn't jive with their opinions then they reject the entire hypothesis.



When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that jiveS with their opinions then they ACCEPT the entire hypothesis.

That's termed "narrow-mindedness".

She speaks
 

She speaks complete and utter alt-right rubbish.

The truth really hurts. Someone had to finally give a connect the dots report. Always sad when anyone is killed but there is more to the story than the 1 sided report. The media will never tell total story because it doesn't fit their agenda.

She's 31. At our age, I suppose that could be a girl.

Seriously, you have no clue what you are talking about. Let's just go by the serum levels of fentanyl in Floyds blood at time of death. Fentanyl 11 ng/ml. That is a reading of fentanyl level per milliliter of blood. This measurement has nothing to do with the size of the person. A 100 pound woman with 11 ng/ml fentanyl is same as a 250 pound guy with 11 ng/ml. They both have the same levels per milliliter of blood.

The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.

So Floyd had enough fentanyl in his blood at time of death to actually kill some people, and certainly enough to prepare him for open heart surgery. This is why the ME rated it as FENTANYL INTOXIFICATION. In the vernacular, he was HIGH ON DRUGS. If the ME determined the Fentanyl actually killed him, he would have said Acute Fentanyl Intoxification.

You are also confusing pharmaceutical grade fentanyl with street fentanyl. The stuff they use in hospitals is about 100 times more powerful than morphine. It's also very consistent because it is professionally made. Street fentanyl is cooked up in clandestine labs and has no consistency. Some forms like 3 methyl fentanyl are up to 6000 times more potent. Street drugs are notorious for hot spots, where one portion of a gram is highly lethal, other parts weak. This is why there are so many overdoses with this drug.

Apparently, you have now moved the goalposts, previously you said Candace was lying about Floyd being high during arrest. Now it's, well he wasn't high enough to get violent and resist arrest. Candace wasn't lying, he was definitely high on drugs during arrest and at time of death.

Every single American should watch this video. Finally some common sense instead of all the media hype.

You apparently don’t know this girl. She is a courageous, serious girl who speaks the truth to power and only wants what is best for her community. Shame on you for trying to smear her character. If you think she has lied, back it up with some examples or be quiet.

As best I could tell from Candace Owens' bio, she was pretty liberal at one time and had a liberal blog. When she was in high school, she sued her school for racial discrimination because some white classmates (including the governor's son), harassed her and the school did nothing about it.

At some point, I guess she just figured out a way to make money off certain people.

This past winter, I went into a Dunkin Donuts (not in The Vill). Two guys, white, in their late 60s or 70s, sat at the table next to me, talking about how the impeachment was a hoax and they sang her praises as a young black person who really "gets it."

As I said, she knows how to make certain people feel better about themselves.

And that justified the police the right to kill him!

To understand what has happened to the black community since the end of the Civil War, watch “13th” on Netflix.

He still did not deserve to be snuffed out like an insect under that officer's knee. How can you be so cruel? How can you keep doing that when the person is telling you he can't breathe and that you are killing him? He is heartless. Plus, his wife filed for divorce right away. Could he have been abusive towards her also?

No, his fentanyl levels at death justify Candace Owens saying he was high on drugs, and makes people who say otherwise look silly.

If serious well-educated people are telling you one thing over-and-over again with hundreds of thousands of people also protesting against criminal actions taken then you should believe there is a problem.

The criminal in this situation was the Minneapolis cop and his accomplices who did not try hard enough to stop him.

I researched what this woman is spewing and find it very offensive.

Main street media is usually right.

Wrong, the difference is right there in front of anyone...who wants to see.

You say that LeBron "was being a complete (fill in the blank)," but Brees "tone and respect" makes his voice/comments more legitimate...which is pure BS.

LeBron has done a whole lot to help communities & education, using his personal money and giving his personal time.

Laura Ingraham has a well-deserved reputation as being a racist/bigot with her even promoting a white supremacist on her show...in which she lost an advertiser.

Her own brother, who is gay (and everyone knows how she feels about gays also)...says it was probably inherited.

'''She'''s a monster''': Laura Ingraham'''s gay brother lashes out in interview

So no, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows exactly what Ingraham stands for...and it's NOT racial equality.


P.S. Brees was big enough to admit that he made a mistake with his tone-deaf original statement and apologized, but you'll never see an Ingraham or others of her disgusting ilk...doing the same. :ohdear:

Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.

You do realize that Wiki is largely written and maintained
by liberals and those on the left.

ASA Condemns Systemic Racism in the Criminal Justice System | American Sociological Association

Use Google some more. Try to get an idea of what some African-American men are up against even in the US in 2020.

My nephew who is African American when he was about 6 and had been visiting the Villages pointed at his skin and told me it is only this deep while holding his fingers a paper thin space apart. This would have been about 2011 as he has to bend down to get his Afro through the door now. Or, at least, the last time they visited the Villages.

My late younger brother had married a Jamaican around 2007. They both experienced a lot of racism from both whites and blacks because of their mixed marriage.

I thought there were no politics permitted. I guess the other side have moved to this site.