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Bucco 06-06-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoFarm (Post 1778634)
I read that the person that called 911 said Floyd was acting high and not in control of himself.

Curious.

Read it WHERE ?

Thanks

jimjamuser 06-06-2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1778138)
You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

If I went into a prison and shot the worst murder there, I would STILL have committed murder myself.

LynneH 06-06-2020 01:54 PM

Missing the Point
 
George Floyd is merely a symbol of something that has gone wrong in our policing community. His character is incidental because he did not deserve to die in this manner. For many Americans, seeing the incident take place was a wake up call about what has been going on. It is unlikely that we would believe it was taking place had we not seen the video evidence.

Taltarzac725 06-06-2020 01:59 PM

It looks like there was one quite rotten cop who had been getting away with stuff in Minneapolis for decades and he hooked up with what look to be rookies.

It also looks like George Floyd and this bad cop had a history.

George Floyd: What we know about the four ex-police officers charged in his death - CNN

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Originally Posted by LynneH (Post 1778647)
George Floyd is merely a symbol of something that has gone wrong in our policing community. His character is incidental because he did not deserve to die in this manner. For many Americans, seeing the incident take place was a wake up call about what has been going on. It is unlikely that we would believe it was taking place had we not seen the video evidence.


jimjamuser 06-06-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1778371)
She fits my knowledge and philosophy to an exact "T" up to and including the 250,000 who die from medical errors each year. Sharp young lady.

Possibly we would have less medical deaths if we had National Healthcare like Finland.

jimjamuser 06-06-2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shelly (Post 1778470)
So are you saying that if a resident of The Villages was picked up by the police after a night at the square and was staggering a bit that the police should then place that person on the ground and put their knee on that persons neck for 10 minutes causing their death???? hmmmmm

Maybe in the future.

John_W 06-06-2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby
She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.
Differences Between Defamation, Slander, and Libel

Defamation, slander, and libel are terms that frequently confused with each other. They all fall into the same category of law and have to do with communications that falsely debase someone’s character.

https://www.legalzoom.com/sites/lega...QAEut-TOwZ.jpg

What is defamation? Defamation is a false statement presented as a fact that causes injury or damage to the character of the person it is about. An example is “(Candace Owens) is lying on purpose to prove a point” "Not surprising for her, she does this often." If this is untrue and if making the statement damages her reputation or ability to work, it is defamation. The person whose reputation has been damaged by the false statement can bring a defamation lawsuit.

Heytubes 06-06-2020 02:20 PM

She’s even testified before Congress

GoodLife 06-06-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1778644)
Curious.

Read it WHERE ?

Thanks

You could try reading the Medical Examiner's report, or you could believe an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

https://content.govdelivery.com/atta...206.1.2020.pdf

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.

Heytubes 06-06-2020 02:22 PM

Guess you missed the part where she said the cops were wrong and he didn’t deserve to die.

anothersteve 06-06-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoFarm (Post 1778634)
I read that the person that called 911 said Floyd was acting high and not in control of himself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1778644)
Curious.

Read it WHERE ?

Thanks

not too hard to find

https://www.kmov.com/minneapolis-pol...b6c6cee57.html

Steve

carlanddiane 06-06-2020 02:26 PM

Aha
 
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1778672)
You could try reading the Medical Examiner's report, or you could believe an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

https://content.govdelivery.com/atta...206.1.2020.pdf

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.

AHA, so you are saying he deserved to be murdered

anothersteve 06-06-2020 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by carlanddiane (Post 1778676)
AHA, so you are saying he deserved to be murdered

Now who said that?
Steve

DeafDeaf 06-06-2020 02:44 PM

Black Lives Matter no matter what Police did
 
Understood that he had to be arrested by the police, but it is unnecessary to put his knee on the victim's neck! I am sure all law enforcement departments will declare no more neck chokes!

:pray:

Number 10 GI 06-06-2020 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pamelah (Post 1778606)
Drunk? So what??? Big guy? Yes. Strong guy? Yes. 4 rotten cops couldn’t subdue him ( if that be the case) so one kneeled on his neck and killed him. People are wrongly focusing on the man. I’m focusing on the intentional murder of a black man.

So the 4 cops all got together and said let's kill a black guy today. :MOJE_whot:

Byte1 06-06-2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1778534)
WOW...just wow. :oops:

Your last two sentences, negate and prove your previous comments about how you don't think he "deserved" to die...as being totally false.
:ohdear:

Really? How's that? I have to admit that I am surprised that you didn't also add me to the racist list that you label anyone else as being if they say something you deem negative.
I noticed that you have the unique ability to mind read someone's thoughts and intentions.

John_W 06-06-2020 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1778646)
If I went into a prison and shot the worst murder there, I would STILL have committed murder myself.

To shot someone in prison means you had a gun, therefore you shot an inmate while on duty, if that was in defense of yourself or another employee or inmate, that would be justifiable homicide. If you were an inmate and made a shank and used it against another inmate, you could be charged with murder if it were unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Of course, you could argue you used reasonable force in self defense to resist death or bodily harm. Nothing is as simple as it sounds!!!

GoodLife 06-06-2020 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by carlanddiane (Post 1778676)
AHA, so you are saying he deserved to be murdered

Nope, I'm saying that the ME found Floyd to be high on fentanyl at the time of his death, and that the poster in this thread who said Candace Owens was lying about that in her video and thus dismissed everything she said was just plain wrong, to be charitable.

Byte1 06-06-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pamelah (Post 1778606)
Drunk? So what??? Big guy? Yes. Strong guy? Yes. 4 rotten cops couldn’t subdue him ( if that be the case) so one kneeled on his neck and killed him. People are wrongly focusing on the man. I’m focusing on the intentional murder of a black man.

How do you know that it was "intentional?" And why do you empathize that he was "black?" Would you not be just as "focused" on him if he was a white man? By the way, there were four COPs involved and only two were white.
I have seen seven COPs having to work very hard to control an average sized guy on PCP. When they got him to the hospital and he was strapped down, he broke the restraints as well as broke his arm and didn't feel a thing.

FYI: a little fentanyl is lethal.

I am not saying that he deserved to die. I am saying that the procedure to restrain him was undoubtedly wrong/improper. I do not believe that this was a case of intentional murder and believe that cooler heads should prosecute these men in court rather than in the public media.

Barborv 06-06-2020 03:22 PM

That commentary is all over the place. Well spoken.
But stoned or high, still didnt give that cop the right to do what he did. Floyd was handcuffed. And apparently it is also out there that the cop knew Floyd because they were both either security guards or bouncers together.

Byte1 06-06-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1778656)
Possibly we would have less medical deaths if we had National Healthcare like Finland.

Finland is a small country and an individual pays about half his paycheck to payroll taxes. We do not need to speak of sales taxes do we? Perhaps if one wished for Finland national healthcare, it would be easier to obtain if they moved to Finland.

John_W 06-06-2020 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1778696)
Nope, I'm saying that the ME found Floyd to be high on fentanyl at the time of his death, and that the poster in this thread who said Candace Owens was lying about that in her video and thus dismissed everything she said was just plain wrong, to be charitable.

I also caught OBB comments about lying, but I could care less if she dismissed the comments. I was concerned about Defamation.

A false statement presented as a fact that causes injury or damage to the character of the person it is about. An example is “(Candace Owens) is lying on purpose to prove a point” "Not surprising for her, she does this often." If this is untrue and if making the statement damages her reputation or ability to work, it is defamation. The person whose reputation has been damaged by the false statement can bring a defamation lawsuit.

GoodLife 06-06-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barborv (Post 1778726)
Whether Floyd was high or not, that cop was 110% in the wrong.

There's no "whether" about it. ME report says he was intoxicated with fentanyl at time of death. Nobody is saying the cop was not wrong, it will all come out in the trial.

GoodLife 06-06-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1778732)


I do completely agree that those miniscule numbers that took advantage of the peaceful protestors with violence or looting, should be found and prosecuted fully, but peaceful assembly...is at the very foundation of this country.

Even if their size, happens to be inconvenient for others.

Miniscule numbers? There have been riots and damages in the billions in over 100 cities. So far 18 people have been killed, 16 by gunshot wounds. 100s in law enforcement have been injured, many seriously. So a miniscule group of bad protestors just teleported themselves all over the country and caused all this?

ColdNoMore 06-06-2020 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1778750)
Miniscule numbers? There have been riots and damages in the billions in over 100 cities. So far 18 people have been killed, 16 by gunshot wounds. 100s in law enforcement have been injured, many seriously. So a miniscule group of bad protestors just teleported themselves all over the country and caused all this?

Puhleeze, simply more attempts at obfuscation and diversion. :oops:

Compared to the TOTAL number of protestors EVERYWHERE, yes...the criminals were a MINISCULE % of that TOTAL.

Just as rotten cops, are a MINISCULE %...of ALL cops.
:boom:

GoodLife 06-06-2020 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1778751)
Puhleeze, simply more attempts at obfuscation and diversion. :oops:

Compared to the TOTAL number of protestors EVERYWHERE, yes...the criminals were a MINISCULE % of that TOTAL.

Just as rotten cops, are a MINISCULE %...of ALL cops.
:boom:

Yep, 18 deaths, 100s injured, 100 cities damaged is just obfuscation and diversion.

1 dead ex con drug addict, that's what really counts.

anothersteve 06-06-2020 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1778751)
Puhleeze, simply more attempts at obfuscation and diversion. :oops:

Compared to the TOTAL number of protestors EVERYWHERE, yes...the criminals were a MINISCULE % of that TOTAL.

Just as rotten cops, are a MINISCULE %...of ALL cops.
:boom:

You are very systemic in the obfuscation of diversion
Steve

anothersteve 06-06-2020 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1778750)
Miniscule numbers? There have been riots and damages in the billions in over 100 cities. So far 18 people have been killed, 16 by gunshot wounds. 100s in law enforcement have been injured, many seriously. So a miniscule group of bad protestors just teleported themselves all over the country and caused all this?

:clap2::clap2:

Steve

dplars 06-06-2020 04:32 PM

Only a black could say this, Us affluent whites are too busy bowing down at the alter of guilt. Makes me want to barf.What about the policemen who put their lives in danger every day????

talleyjm 06-06-2020 04:33 PM

Watched the video - she is saying what many people are thinking. She speaks the truth. A white person would be risking everything, including their life, if they spoke this truth publicly.

Number 10 GI 06-06-2020 04:35 PM

I didn't read anywhere in his post that advocated, inferred or implied prohibiting peaceful protests. He is angry with the thugs and left wing anarchists that saw this as an opportunity to riot, steal and destroy public and private property. If it was your property that was destroyed you wouldn't think it was an insignificant thing. What I find even more disgusting are the people that come up with idiotic justifications for the violence.

mtdjed 06-06-2020 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1778031)
She's assuming he was high because he had the presence of methamphetamines and fentanyl in his bloodstream. Either that or she understands full well that the amount in his bloodstream indicates that he wasn't high, and she's lying on purpose to prove a point that she isn't able to make without lying.

Not surprising for her, she does this often.

And what is your point? That everyone naturally has such stuff in their blood stream.

She made mention of that by simply stating what was was found in the autopsy.

"in addition to fentanyl and methamphetamine, the toxicology report from the autopsy showed that Floyd also had cannabinoids in his system when he died."

No assumptions or lies made.

Most of us will make our own assumptions by hearing the facts. Yes, he was murdered. Yes, the murderer has been charged with second degree murder.

GoFarm 06-06-2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1778138)
You've got to be kidding. Candice Owens is the black Ann Coulter - a real hater. She has defended the white woman who called the police on a black man who asked her to leash her dog while bird watching. She has publicly defended Hitler. She is way, way to the right of mainstream America which endears her to many conservative Republicans and has landed her on Fox News, with her outrageous comments - for her its about the fame, attention, and money. Accuracy and truth telling - not.

Please back up your accusations.

GoFarm 06-06-2020 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by drgoofy (Post 1778242)
Being high/intoxicated or passing counterfeit $ doesn't carry a death sentence...at least last time I checked. Even if so, it would need to be arrived at via a judge and jury...not some renegade cops.

You missed her point.

GoFarm 06-06-2020 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1778267)
Nice, continue to try to perpetuate a lie and have an equally uninformed poster (Nailed it - CNM) agree. Here is a clip of congressman Ted Lieu trying to make that same assertion and Candace’s reply. Rep. Ted Lieu plays recording of Candace Owens statement on Adolf Hitler (C-SPAN) - YouTube

Thank you for posting the clip of Candace Owens' comments which puts into context the issue of her mentioning Hitler and completely refutes the disparaging and false assertion that she was defending Hitler.

anothersteve 06-06-2020 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GoFarm (Post 1778780)
Thank you for posting the clip of Candace Owens' comments which puts into context the issue of her mentioning Hitler and completely refutes the disparaging and false assertion that she was defending Hitler.

She also put Nadler in his place. The look on his and Lieu's faces.......PRICELESS!
Steve

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-06-2020 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1778182)
And that is just what is wrong with the post baby boomer generations.

When reading an article, or listening to a speaker, once they sense "anything" that doesn't jive with their opinions then they reject the entire hypothesis.

That's termed "narrow-mindedness".

I'm not a "post baby boomer," first of all. I'm a babyboomer. Second, I didn't "sense" anything. I fact-checked. I heard her make statements I hadn't read about or heard from the actual news media - not op-ed, but news. The networks, AP, Reuter's, BBC, etc. That was the first thing that I heard her say that I hadn't heard before. So I fact-checked it. I found the articles that made these claims, and fact-checked those claims further. I searched the JAMA and healthnet, and the government's health and science websites, to learn about "what dosage of these substances can cause mental impairment."

Did you do ANY of that, or did you just believe every word because it fit your narrative? Because - THAT would be "narrow-mindedness."

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-06-2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1778767)
And what is your point? That everyone naturally has such stuff in their blood stream.

She made mention of that by simply stating what was was found in the autopsy.

"in addition to fentanyl and methamphetamine, the toxicology report from the autopsy showed that Floyd also had cannabinoids in his system when he died."

No assumptions or lies made.

Most of us will make our own assumptions by hearing the facts. Yes, he was murdered. Yes, the murderer has been charged with second degree murder.

No, she said - "he was high." Her words. The autopsy report doesn't say that. She says it. And the amount of drugs in his bloodstream indicates that he was likely NOT "high" at the time of his murder. He might've dosed up several hours earlier and it took that long to wear off, but for his height, weight, body type - that amount of drugs in his system would've been similar to the average person taking a teaspoon of cold medicine and someone who lives with ADHD to take their daily dose of adderal.

anothersteve 06-06-2020 06:06 PM

https://www.kmov.com/minneapolis-pol...b6c6cee57.html

Steve

GoodLife 06-06-2020 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1778820)
No, she said - "he was high." Her words. The autopsy report doesn't say that. She says it. And the amount of drugs in his bloodstream indicates that he was likely NOT "high" at the time of his murder. He might've dosed up several hours earlier and it took that long to wear off, but for his height, weight, body type - that amount of drugs in his system would've been similar to the average person taking a teaspoon of cold medicine and someone who lives with ADHD to take their daily dose of adderal.

Do you know what it means when a Medical Examiner does an autopsy and says "fentanyl intoxification" at time of death? It doesn't mean trace amounts, it means he was intoxicated with the drug. High. Now look up what "fentanyl intoxification" means

As an opioid drug, fentanyl intoxication can cause intense euphoria and affect the central nervous system as a depressant. Fentanyl intoxication can make it seem like a person is drunk at first, but it can go downhill rapidly.


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