[Velvet]

Originally Posted by HRDave

Out of approximately 161 million vaccinated individuals in the US only 5900+ breakthrough cases. That’s .0037%. Only 19% of those died. That’s roughly 1200 people out of 161,000,000 vaccinated.
This pandemic surge is the unvaccinated’s problem. Let it burn through the unvaccinated population. If you’re vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than having a breakthrough case.
No mask needed.

Only 5900 hospitalized … so far… and increasing. As in Star Wars, “May the Force be with you.”

Florida 17,589 cases July 29/21 NYT

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

so here is my original that you find so oblique. cue all the CDC and Fauci hating replies. no matter what the facts, many choose not to believe them. people fail to understand that a virus changes....so what was said a month ago may not be the same as today. the only way to get rid of it is to stop providing hosts.

I point out there will be many replies expressing hatred of Fauci and CDC. which happened. many replies indicate that there are some people who won't believe the facts. check. viruses mutate all the time and the only way to ultimately stop it is to starve it of hosts.

I still fail to see what is confusing or oblique about that. but ok, I'll let you get the last word. fire away.

To continue would be....futile.
The End!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

The assertion that this is some sort of political stunt is laughable. Our government is not the only one on earth sounding the alarm

Here is a well written article about Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world, and it includes links to actual studies they are doing. Israel is reimposing indoor mask guidelines.

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COVID-19 Case Data in Israel: A Troubling Trend?

Am I the only one who finds this data a bit too perfect and hard to believe?

- The table shows 779 cases but both the JHU and WaPo sites show over 1400 cases (unfortunately, I cannot read the three sites provided in the article)

- The data is too perfect. Every group, with the exception of the 90+ group, is within 3% points. I would have to dig out some old college texts to figure the probability of that happening randomly.

- If the data is true, then the vaccine is doing absolutely nothing to slow infections. It was never said to be 100% effective, but absolutely 0?

- This data is not consistent with the (limited) data that has been presented from other countries. Only in Israel are the breakthrough cases in proportion to the number of people vaccinated.

Something is going on but the cleanliness of this data and the contrast with any other data set makes me skeptical.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Am I the only one who finds this data a bit too perfect and hard to believe?

- The table shows 779 cases but both the JHU and WaPo sites show over 1400 cases (unfortunately, I cannot read the three sites provided in the article)

- The data is too perfect. Every group, with the exception of the 90+ group, is within 3% points. I would have to dig out some old college texts to figure the probability of that happening randomly.

- If the data is true, then the vaccine is doing absolutely nothing to slow infections. It was never said to be 100% effective, but absolutely 0?

- This data is not consistent with the (limited) data that has been presented from other countries. Only in Israel are the breakthrough cases in proportion to the number of people vaccinated.

Something is going on but the cleanliness of this data and the contrast with any other data set makes me skeptical.

So, posts here constantly complain that no one agrees on any of the data, and now you complain that there is too much agreement. Okay....

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I do believe we have common ground on that! I agree.

Oh, no, not AGAIN

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by HRDave

Out of approximately 161 million vaccinated individuals in the US only 5900+ breakthrough cases. That’s .0037%. Only 19% of those died. That’s roughly 1200 people out of 161,000,000 vaccinated.
This pandemic surge is the unvaccinated’s problem. Let it burn through the unvaccinated population. If you’re vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than having a breakthrough case.
No mask needed.

Agree that I have nothing to worry about because I'm vaccinated. I truly do believe that.

Agree I have extremely little chance of having a breakthrough case. I truly do believe that.

Agree. I do not need to mask up anywhere. I truly do believe that because anyone who is either not vaccinated for what ever their reason is, THEY can protect themselves with an N95 or equivalent mask when in public indoor spaces. Don't expect me to mask up forever to protect them.

Disagree that this pandemic surge is the un-vaccinated's problem. I truly believe this pandemic is everyone's problem for one reason and one reason only. The possibility of a variant that evades our current vaccines is very concerning. I can not even wrap my head around the logistics of what that could possibly mean for us.

We need more people to get themselves vaccinated to lessen the amount of hosts this virus need to perpetuate this pandemic. We certainly do not need to deal with any more variants, especially a variant that totally evades our vaccines.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

if I have to explain it, it's probably futile. It means get vaccinated and/or wear a mask. once the virus can not find more people to infect, it will subside. like chicken pox, measles, etc.

Chicken pox and measles vaccines have kept these diseases at bay, nearly wiping them out. Yes, VACCINES. So glad people of previous generations did not snub vaccines the way our current generations do.

[HRDave]

On July 19th CDC reported that out of approximately 161 million vaccinated individuals in the US only 5900+ breakthrough cases reported. That’s .0037%. Only 19% of those died. That’s roughly 1200 people out of 161,000,000 vaccinated.
This pandemic surge is the unvaccinated’s problem. Let it burn through the unvaccinated population. If you’re vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than having a breakthrough case.
No mask needed

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Yet another virus thread, where the same people can say the sames things over and over again.

Why chit-chat about everyday things when there IS a REAL threat to US National Health and ultimately welfare and even national Defense looming over us today? Is that the "head in the sand" defense? I imagine that Russia and China just might be looking for US weaknesses!

[jimjamuser]

The CDC must believe that the Delta CV would "burn through" the UNvaccinated QUICKER and be more Deadly if they did NOT advise vaccinated AND UNvaccinated people to wear masks at crowded indoor gatherings. The CDC, apparently, believes that UNvaccinated people can be good people and productive citizens. The CDC must protect ALL citizens from the possible trauma caused to them when hospitals become FULL. The CDC is protecting ALL Americans against higher insurance costs and bankruptcy-closed hospitals from the VERY long and expensive stays of CV patients. The CDC is protecting Americans against problems caused by long-haul CV complications. Citizen protection is the goal of the CDC and more broadly ANY nation's democratic Government.

[Swoop]

Does anyone else find it strange that the CDC has no problem reporting the number of new Covid cases, but has given up reporting the number of breakthrough cases…

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Art cov

This is to be taken seriously as I know a fully vaccinated lady 67 who passed 2 days ago from covid However, I don’t understand how our citizens must wear mask and be vaccinated, while many, many people from countries around the world are coming into our country at the Mexican border that are not vaccinated or have no mask. Seems like nobody cares about this at all. They are not taking this seriously. Seems crazy to say come on in just the way you are but try to make an unvaccinated person that is a citizen of the U.S. be under a different standard. The problem will never be solved if millions of unvaccinated come into our country. Totally crazy!

I agree! And the pressure for migration from the south is ALL around the globe. It is caused by Global Warming. Both migration pressure and warming will increase for the foreseeable future. The US is especially vulnerable because of our freedom-loving form of government, wealth, and just being too "NICE" for our own good.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I agree! And the pressure for migration from the south is ALL around the globe. It is caused by Global Warming. Both migration pressure and warming will increase for the foreseeable future. The US is especially vulnerable because of our freedom-loving form of government, wealth, and just being too "NICE" for our own good.

Global warming???? OMG, what a joke!!!!
What do you think---they come here because we have better air conditioners?????

Maybe, just maybe it's all the "free stuff" we hand them
Maybe, just maybe it's because it is far better to be "poor" here than where they come from.

Meanwhile , some people who do not understand science or paleoclimatology continue to buy into this giant (and very expensive) hoax of global warming that certain segments want to shove down our throats.

[HRDave]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The CDC must believe that the Delta CV would "burn through" the UNvaccinated QUICKER and be more Deadly if they did NOT advise vaccinated AND UNvaccinated people to wear masks at crowded indoor gatherings. The CDC, apparently, believes that UNvaccinated people can be good people and productive citizens. The CDC must protect ALL citizens from the possible trauma caused to them when hospitals become FULL. The CDC is protecting ALL Americans against higher insurance costs and bankruptcy-closed hospitals from the VERY long and expensive stays of CV patients. The CDC is protecting Americans against problems caused by long-haul CV complications. Citizen protection is the goal of the CDC and more broadly ANY nation's democratic Government.

If you don’t want to get sick get vaccinated! If you don’t want to get vaccinated, get sick. It’s as simple as that.

If the unvaccinated do not care about their own health or the health of others who are unvaccinated stay out of the way of those who got the vaccine.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

If you are afraid just stay home. We can no lo trust what our Government tells us .. Those days are long gone!