[Two Bills]

In UK they are taking down Baden Powells (Scouts Founder) monument today.
Evidently he is no longer acceptable to certain factions.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

By sanitising half of the history of any country to suit political ccorrectness and social trends, how do future generations learn from past mistakes?
Teach it, warts and all, and let the kids see where our leaders went wrong in the past.
Having said that, looking at the present state of the world, most of todays world leaders, all flunked their history exams!

Agreed. Our founding fathers were products of their times and many did own slaves.

Many people in many parts of the world were part of the slave trade including Africans who captured and sold people as slaves.

Unless you learn where the world was and how we reached this point how do you understand history?

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by cgilcreast

The bias won't stop until our education system educates. That includes primary, secondary and university systems. The reason that at home education is taking off.

What could be more biased than home schooling?

Kids are exposed to only one viewpoint—their parents. They interact only with families like their own and they are ill prepared to deal with this great melting pot known as America when they go out into the world. It sows the seeds of racism and hatred. It promotes an us versus them mentality. It’s one of the big things that is destroying our great country. It’s one of the reasons why there is so much division in our country now.

[jrg908369]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I'm beginning to wonder if and when the pendulum on censorship will swing back to the middle...

Movies like "Gone With The Wind" are now being pulled from the likes of HBO and other streaming services because companies are fearful of backlash....Military bases and streets named after Southern Civil War generals are now subject to being changed...

for decades Disney has hidden it's movie "Song of the South"

statues of Southern Civil War leaders are being torn down...

when will protesters demand that the beautiful statue of General Lee that sits across the field of battle from General Grant's statue in Gettysburg be forced to be taken down??

When will the cry to erase Thomas Jefferson's name from our history come because he owned slaves?

What's next??

As a southerner born and raised I always wondered why we named military bases after losing generals. And why we put up statutes to losers. Made no sense to me. I was a history major in college and a history buff and I don't see statutes of Hitler in Germany or Mussolini in Italy. They are embarrassed and did something about it. I guess you are also upset that NASCAR has banned the confederate flag and all confederate stuff from their race tracks?

[Denvercane]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why do you wonder that? Do you think every picture and statue depicting Christopher Columbus isn't recognizable by anyone who has ever attended grade-school history classes? Or are you suggesting that people protesting against racism never attended grade-school history classes?

There are no known actual portraits of Columbus.

[Windguy]

Statues of rebel soldiers are inappropriate in our parks and what not. They were traitors and should be vilified and not glorified. If you want them to serve as history lessons, put them in museums that teach about the horrors of slavery and what happens when people stress our differences more than what we have in common.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why do you wonder that? Do you think every picture and statue depicting Christopher Columbus isn't recognizable by anyone who has ever attended grade-school history classes? Or are you suggesting that people protesting against racism never attended grade-school history classes?

Definitely a possibility to consider.....

Here's an example of a highly educated "protester":

I grew up in Richmond Va and at one time I live near Monument Avenue. I had some black friends growing up and did see things from their point of view. It was odd to see a statue of Arthur Ashe being installed not far from the Confederate statues. To me it was just history, to my friends it was a painful reminder of a time when their race was treated like property.
I would tell them that words had no power until you give it power over you and to ignore racism etc. It's easy for me to say. I could give examples one after another to share what I saw happen to my black friends throughout the years but I don't think it would help you understand what it's like living in your country that doesn't understand what it's like being black. I do see the crime, social services abuse and the other statistics whites point to. I can tell that a black child isn't born that way.

At some point our country has to take some crazy measures to try and fix what's going on. I don't have the answers but if getting rid of symbols that upset the black race and addressing racism openly helps get some healing then I'm all for it.

I'm not a historian or statistician so my opinions are not coming from an expert.

[jbrown132]

The same can be said for our universities

[camaguey48]

Lovely, just lovely.

[kanoa1kale2]

Originally Posted by Windguy

Statues of rebel soldiers are inappropriate in our parks and what not. They were traitors and should be vilified and not glorified. If you want them to serve as history lessons, put them in museums that teach about the horrors of slavery and what happens when people stress our differences more than what we have in common.

I guess that makes soldiers in our war of independence from Great Britain part of the same category. What do we do when a generation decides WWI and WWII soldiers were wrong and starts tearing down their memorials? Those who deny history are doomed to repeat it. We learn from mistakes that have been made. Civil wars have been fought since time began. The soldiers who fought in them were honorable and fought for their side. Just because they lost, they should not be vilified or hated. Perhaps in the future, we veterans in the Villages may find ourselves on the wrong side of this argument over Korean, Viet Nam and Middle Eastern wars. Once we are gone, there will be no one to refute the mob mentality that exists today. Reminds me of the Farenheit 451 movie where all books were burned so history and knowledge would disappear.

[17362]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I'm beginning to wonder if and when the pendulum on censorship will swing back to the middle...

Movies like "Gone With The Wind" are now being pulled from the likes of HBO and other streaming services because companies are fearful of backlash....Military bases and streets named after Southern Civil War generals are now subject to being changed...

for decades Disney has hidden it's movie "Song of the South"

statues of Southern Civil War leaders are being torn down...

when will protesters demand that the beautiful statue of General Lee that sits across the field of battle from General Grant's statue in Gettysburg be forced to be taken down??

When will the cry to erase Thomas Jefferson's name from our history come because he owned slaves?

What's next??

The schools are ran by unions. The agenda was to indoctrinate the young, not teach actual history and let us learn from it, but teach them what to think, instead of common sense. No wonder these individuals don’t have common sense and know how to weigh things out and decided for themselves.
I’m grateful that some parents are finally seeing through it and teaching at home the entire history instead of a slant towards to hate our history. Re-writing was the next step. It’s winning cause people don’t want to take initiative and look beyond their lessons. No curiosity for the truth. Just spoon fed by xxxx. That’s what they prefer.
Why else do you think that journalisms went beyond just reporting facts at the big name media? It’s all hype and slants- spoon feeding.

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Seems like they did something like this in the 1930's and 1940' in Germany, except they burned books. The USSR edited or destroyed a lot of media material that they didn't like.

A Communist-Fascist trait is to erase all history, Yes Hitler burned books, Stalin toppled statues and controlled all schools teaching, any teachers that deviate from their mandate in Russia were sent to a Gulag in Germany they were taken by the Gestapo and beaten badly. In Cuba the G2 would jail and beat you badly to ensure that you would comply, all books were rewritten and all their leaders were exalted as heroes. Please don’t say “it won’t happen here” that is what the Cuban people said 70 years ago. I know, I was in Cuba then!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless America

[stadry]

[QUOTE=Windguy;1781753]What could be more biased than home schooling?

' Kids are exposed to only one viewpoint—their parents' - Is this an ' it takes a village ' post ? ? ? or an invitation to discuss home schooling bias vs public schooling bias ? ? ?
imo, it would be a terrific improvement if schools taught history as it happened, if schools taught students to think, & if schools taught objectively.

perhaps this challenge could be reworded as home schoolers are generally better able to confront life's challenges than public school graduates

as you, i'm curious why there is so much division in our country,,, is it political, racial, emotional, professional ? or is it increasing due to the generations of 'public giving' for any social need,,, destitute voters can now vote themselves $$$ if raising their voices to the right decibel in the right direction

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

By sanitising half of the history of any country to suit political ccorrectness and social trends, how do future generations learn from past mistakes?
Teach it, warts and all, and let the kids see where our leaders went wrong in the past.
Having said that, looking at the present state of the world, most of todays world leaders, all flunked their history exams!

I agree with you . Sanitized history isn't history, it is fiction.
Pick any in time in history and any culture and you will find thoughts, deeds and conditions that would be considered unacceptable in today's world. Even in today's world we can find much that needs fixing, and not just here.