[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by gdennis317

Israel study mentioned was a small sample group. Recent studies here in the US say Opposite is true. Kentucky case study as an example.

Key point in all of this is that those in the Hospital here in the US are predominantly the Unvaccinated, and those who die are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated.

7000 delta cases is a small sample group? 3000 of them were fully vaccinated. Makes you wonder why the CDC has stopped reporting breakthrough cases and now only reports breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths.

Post your studies that say the opposite.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

And be sure to mention you received this advice from someone onToTV, that should carry some weight.

Anyone can ask for an antibody test, you are confused if you think that is medical advice.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by OETTING

Although antibodies from natural infection may provide some protection against the virus, evidence shows nothing protects against COVID-19 better than vaccines.
People who have recovered from COVID-19 should get vaccinated to reduce their risk of reinfection, which will prevent transmission and suppress the opportunity for more variants – like the highly contagious delta – to emerge.
“Natural infection will cause your immune system to make many types of antibodies and immune response to all parts of the virus, but only a small fraction of that response is actually protective,” said Nicole Iovine, chief hospital epidemiologist at University of Florida Health in Gainesville. “When you get the vaccine, the entire response is targeted to the virus's spike protein.”

Hmmm. I think I will listen to the Cleveland Clinic on this one.

No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests

No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

The party was in an enclosed tent. No one wore masks.
CDC reccomends that vaccinated wear masks in enclosed areas.

I just looked at photos of the tent with all the sides open to allow fresh air. That, to me, is not considered an enclosed area, especially with fresh air flowing in.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by lkagele

I really don't think that's correct. At first the thought was these were droplets that traveled no more than 6'. Thus the social distancing recommendations.

Later, however, studies showed aerosol particles stayed in the air for much longer periods of time and distance and were also responsible for transmission of the disease.

There's also evidence the droplets and aerosols can enter the body through eye cavities. I just don't see masks as being effective enough to warrant anything other than attempts to control the populace.

The areosol particles stayed in the air when they were introduced by people not wearing masks. THAT is why universal masking is advocated world wide. Masking and social distancing are still a mitigation behind the life saving vaccines we have now.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. 85% of covid virus emissions from an infected individual are tiny aerosols, only 15% are encased in globules.. They are 5000 times smaller than the holes in a cloth mask. You can easily breath these all the way down to your lungs where they begin to work their magic.

That is not my understanding of aerosol containment. As I've said, I've seen it with my own two eyes on video with the infra red cameras. It is AMAZING how the aerosols are contained in the masks.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. 85% of covid virus emissions from an infected individual are tiny aerosols, only 15% are encased in globules.. They are 5000 times smaller than the holes in a cloth mask. You can easily breath these all the way down to your lungs where they begin to work their magic.

I found a video using a high speed camera. After viewing this video, there is no way you can tell me that masks do not contain aerosols. The difference between no mask and the three examples of masking is HUGE!

High speed camera captures how different types of face masks work - YouTube

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by flsteve

Wait.... I thought that vaccinated people can STILL spread the virus? If so, it makes sense to me that both vaccinated AND un-vaccinated people can "infect those around you with a lethal virus". Right? However, only THE VACCINATED people can be criticized for having the "right" to "infect those around you with a lethal virus", since vaccinated people can still get it again, yet likely not in a lethal manner. Only un-vaccinated people can "infect those around you with a lethal virus."

Therefore, the Typhoid Mary comparison point is completely moot.

Critical thinking is a bitch!

Yes, you are correct. Vaccinated people can still spread the virus. BUT......vaccinated people with breakthrough infections are so few in numbers, there is very little chance a vaccinated person will spread the virus to begin with. Then, if a vaccinated person does get infected, the amount of time the vaccinated person is contagious is so much less than someone who is un-vaccinated. Bottom line is vaccinated people pose so little threat of transmitting this virus vs the huge threat of transmission that un-vaccinated people pose to others.

I get it. It makes those folks who have refused the vaccine feel good about themselves to be able to say that vaccinated people can infect others too. I do get it. LOL.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OETTING

Although antibodies from natural infection may provide some protection against the virus, evidence shows nothing protects against COVID-19 better than vaccines.
People who have recovered from COVID-19 should get vaccinated to reduce their risk of reinfection, which will prevent transmission and suppress the opportunity for more variants – like the highly contagious delta – to emerge.
“Natural infection will cause your immune system to make many types of antibodies and immune response to all parts of the virus, but only a small fraction of that response is actually protective,” said Nicole Iovine, chief hospital epidemiologist at University of Florida Health in Gainesville. “When you get the vaccine, the entire response is targeted to the virus's spike protein.”

This is the reason why cruise ships do not accept prior natural infection as a means for an individual to sail without the protocols of un-vaccinated people. I know that makes many people who have recovered from Covid very upset but that is just the way it is.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Ask your Doctor to give you an antibody test, when it shows you have antibodies have Doctor write you a letter saying you are just as protected as the vaccinated. If he won't do this, get a smarter Doctor.

Cruise lines do not accept the letter to allow a passenger to sail without the un-vaxxed protocols. That is just one example. Cruise ships have vaccinated ONLY areas on board so passengers do not have to mask up. That is just one of those pesky protocols that limits the availability on cruise ships for un-vaxxed passengers.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I found a video using a high speed camera. After viewing this video, there is no way you can tell me that masks do not contain aerosols. The difference between no mask and the three examples of masking is HUGE!

High speed camera captures how different types of face masks work - YouTube

LOL Again with the Youtube videos. You do realize that aerosol virus particles are microscopic and can not be seen with a high speed camera? What you are seeing is water globules and vapor.

For the love of God, please read some actual science and forget about what you might learn on Youtube or Facebook.

To better understand how airborne SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs, we sought to determine viral loads within coarse (>5μm) and fine (≤5μm) respiratory aerosols produced when breathing, talking, and singing.

Overall, fine aerosols constituted 85% of the viral load detected in our study

This is a study using actual covid infected patients and a very precise instrument called a G-II exhaled breath collector which can collect and measure particles down to 1um in size. 1um is 1 millionth of a meter or 1/25,400th of an inch. You need an electron microscope to see them, not a high speed camera

Viral Load of SARS-CoV-2 in Respiratory Aerosols Emitted by COVID-19 Patients while Breathing, Talking, and Singing - PubMed

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

LOL Again with the Youtube videos. You do realize that aerosol virus particles are microscopic and can not be seen with a high speed camera? What you are seeing is water globules and vapor.

For the love of God, please read some actual science and forget about what you might learn on Youtube or Facebook.

To better understand how airborne SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs, we sought to determine viral loads within coarse (>5μm) and fine (≤5μm) respiratory aerosols produced when breathing, talking, and singing.

Overall, fine aerosols constituted 85% of the viral load detected in our study

This is a study using actual covid infected patients and a very precise instrument called a G-II exhaled breath collector which can collect and measure particles down to 1um in size. 1um is 1 millionth of a meter or 1/25,400th of an inch. You need an electron microscope to see them, not a high speed camera

Viral Load of SARS-CoV-2 in Respiratory Aerosols Emitted by COVID-19 Patients while Breathing, Talking, and Singing - PubMed

Isn't that respiratory aerosols I see when I "see my breath" in a cold climate such as when I lived up north? Aren't those respiratory aerosols that can be seen with the naked eye? Contained in that visible vapor of aerosols can be millions of those Covid virus particles of an infected person. No?

[Robin Farris]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Ask your Doctor to give you an antibody test, when it shows you have antibodies have Doctor write you a letter saying you are just as protected as the vaccinated. If he won't do this, get a smarter Doctor.

I have been retesting for antibodies every 3 months so far I still test positive for antibodies. I keep a copy of the lab report with me to show if asked. But some people still think I should get a shot. To be perfectly honest I know 3 different people who got the shot and passed shortly after. And one who spent some time in the ICU due to a bad reaction. Now THAT scares me. I have also read up about the number of deaths after getting the shot and yes on the CDC website. And that scares me so…I’m going to keep my antibodies checked and let my body do what Science intended. Again thank you.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Isn't that respiratory aerosols I see when I "see my breath" in a cold climate such as when I lived up north? Aren't those respiratory aerosols that can be seen with the naked eye? Contained in that visible vapor of aerosols can be millions of those Covid virus particles of an infected person. No?

Don't pee in a porta potty up north in the cold climate either...pee steam kills ya know

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Robin Farris

I have been retesting for antibodies every 3 months so far I still test positive for antibodies. I keep a copy of the lab report with me to show if asked. But some people still think I should get a shot. To be perfectly honest I know 3 different people who got the shot and passed shortly after. And one who spent some time in the ICU due to a bad reaction. Now THAT scares me. I have also read up about the number of deaths after getting the shot and yes on the CDC website. And that scares me so…I’m going to keep my antibodies checked and let my body do what Science intended. Again thank you.

Was it the vaccine that was directly responsible for those three people's deaths? Which vaccines did they receive?