[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Don't pee in a porta potty up north in the cold climate either...pee steam kills ya know

Per Google.......

"At dew point, air can no longer hold water vapor; when air is cooled beyond dew point water vapor turns to liquid form, the physical process known as condensation. It is this liquid form of your breath – minuscule droplets of water – that creates the fleeting, misty cloud we see when breathing in cold weather."

So....that is my breath that I see in a cold climate; all those minuscule aerosols. Hmmm. Thought so.

Also.........The warmth of the urine creates this same phenom in cold weather. Very interesting.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Yes, you are correct. Vaccinated people can still spread the virus. BUT......vaccinated people with breakthrough infections are so few in numbers, there is very little chance a vaccinated person will spread the virus to begin with. Then, if a vaccinated person does get infected, the amount of time the vaccinated person is contagious is so much less than someone who is un-vaccinated. Bottom line is vaccinated people pose so little threat of transmitting this virus vs the huge threat of transmission that un-vaccinated people pose to others.

I get it. It makes those folks who have refused the vaccine feel good about themselves to be able to say that vaccinated people can infect others too. I do get it. LOL.

The number of breakthrough cases are increasing rapidly with the Delta variant. Those with breakthrough cases have the same viral loads as those who are unvaccinated. So previously vaccinated individuals can spread the virus as readily as those who were not vaccinated. The CDC conveniently stopped counting breakthrough cases, but other countries have continued to count. And those case numbers are exponentially higher than the CDC had been reporting months ago.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Also the particulates don’t flow smoothly; but rather the turbulent airflow causes particles to get caught in the mask. Also if this dude is correct, then what’s his answer as to why surgeons wear them during surgery?.
hi

Originally Posted by cof1986849

Iwatched a video of this doctor who claims the virus is small enough to go through every mask. I stopped right there. He has no credibility at all by making that claim. Doesn't he know that theses minuscule virus particles DO NOT TRAVEL BY THEMSELVES. The virus particles are encompassed in droplets and the much smaller aerosols which will be MOSTLY blocked by those disposable and cloths masks that folks wear as SOURCE CONTROL. This guy is a boob.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you want to play the Covid Party game, you should definitely go to Sturgis. You have the best chance of actually contracting it there than anywhere else these days.

What their doing/taking at sturgis Covid probably least of their worries.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Also the particulates don’t flow smoothly; but rather the turbulent airflow causes particles to get caught in the mask. Also if this dude is correct, then what’s his answer as to why surgeons wear them during surgery?.
hi

To protect the patients.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Per Google.......

"At dew point, air can no longer hold water vapor; when air is cooled beyond dew point water vapor turns to liquid form, the physical process known as condensation. It is this liquid form of your breath – minuscule droplets of water – that creates the fleeting, misty cloud we see when breathing in cold weather."

So....that is my breath that I see in a cold climate; all those minuscule aerosols. Hmmm. Thought so.

Also.........The warmth of the urine creates this same phenom in cold weather. Very interesting.

So that’s’ what happened when I wrote my name in snow bank at -10 below when kid

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I just looked at photos of the tent with all the sides open to allow fresh air. That, to me, is not considered an enclosed area, especially with fresh air flowing in.

I think the point, really, is the hypocrisy. Lollapaloosa concert in Chicago - OK. Sturges bikers - super spreader. Obama birthday party - OK. Trump rally in Arizona - Super spreader.

Frankly, I think it's great for Obama to celebrate his 60th with his friends. But I also think it's fine for the folks in Sturges to get together and have their motorcycle fun.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I found a video using a high speed camera. After viewing this video, there is no way you can tell me that masks do not contain aerosols. The difference between no mask and the three examples of masking is HUGE!

High speed camera captures how different types of face masks work - YouTube

Oh, come on. We're talking about microscopic particles that can't be captured by high speed video. I'm not sure what we're seeing in those videos but it certainly isn't microscopic aerosol particles. But then again, it came from YouTube so it's gotta be true........

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The areosol particles stayed in the air when they were introduced by people not wearing masks. THAT is why universal masking is advocated world wide. Masking and social distancing are still a mitigation behind the life saving vaccines we have now.

I do agree that the vaccine is life saving. But I think we should be focusing on building immunity rather than placing emphasis on avoiding the virus. If I'm infected with the virus, a mask will reduce somewhat my spreading of it. But if I know I have the virus, I'm better off staying at home just the same as I would if I knew I had a cold or the flu.

Immunity isn't solely gained by the vaccine. For those that have recovered from the China virus, I trust their bodies' natural immunity more than I do a fabricated vaccine. They're fine and need no vaccine. Take Vitamin D and Zinc (there's probably more) as those have proven to help the immune system in preventing contracting the virus and in fighting the virus if you get it.

Mask mandates are useless unless you're a politician seeking power and control.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Per Google.......

"At dew point, air can no longer hold water vapor; when air is cooled beyond dew point water vapor turns to liquid form, the physical process known as condensation. It is this liquid form of your breath – minuscule droplets of water – that creates the fleeting, misty cloud we see when breathing in cold weather."

So....that is my breath that I see in a cold climate; all those minuscule aerosols. Hmmm. Thought so.

Also.........The warmth of the urine creates this same phenom in cold weather. Very interesting.

I'm no rocket surgeon but I don't think what you're seeing outside in cold climates are the microscopic particles. They're in there but that's not what you're seeing. Logic also tells me that people spend more times indoors in those types of climates and your hypothesis falls apart when that happens.

On a side note, I used to be able to write my full name in the snow but nowadays I need an eraser to clean the yellow off my snow boots.......

[Villageswimmer]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Hmmm. I think I will listen to the Cleveland Clinic on this one.

No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests

No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests

The date of this article was June 8. Things change daily. Always check dates.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The areosol particles stayed in the air when they were introduced by people not wearing masks. THAT is why universal masking is advocated world wide. Masking and social distancing are still a mitigation behind the life saving vaccines we have now.

Did someone BAN masks? No one is outlawing your use of masks. If you wish to wear a mask all your life, do so. Wear one when you are driving in a car by yourself. Wear one at home. Heck, be safe and wear one when you are sleeping (in your safe room).

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

The number of breakthrough cases are increasing rapidly with the Delta variant. Those with breakthrough cases have the same viral loads as those who are unvaccinated. So previously vaccinated individuals can spread the virus as readily as those who were not vaccinated. The CDC conveniently stopped counting breakthrough cases, but other countries have continued to count. And those case numbers are exponentially higher than the CDC had been reporting months ago.

Yes. I am aware the CDC has stopped counting all breakthrough cases and only counting hospitalizations and deaths. I guess we will never really know how many breakthrough cases we will have here in the US. I guess we never would know anyway because many of those breakthrough cases are and would be asymptomatic. Asymptomatic people usually don't even get tested so would not know if they have a breakthrough case.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Yes. I am aware the CDC has stopped counting all breakthrough cases and only counting hospitalizations and deaths. I guess we will never really know how many breakthrough cases we will have here in the US. I guess we never would know anyway because many of those breakthrough cases are and would be asymptomatic. Asymptomatic people usually don't even get tested so would not know if they have a breakthrough case.

So you’re also aware that the viral load in the breakthrough cases is the same as the viral load in those unvaccinated who get Covid?!?
Which means vaccinated or not, if you get Covid, you can spread it as readily…
And if you are asymptomatic you are much less likely to quarantine. This potentially makes you a more dangerous spreader of the virus…

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So you’re also aware that the viral load in the breakthrough cases is the same as the viral load in those unvaccinated who get Covid?!?
Which means vaccinated or not, if you get Covid, you can spread it as readily…
And if you are asymptomatic you are much less likely to quarantine. This potentially makes you a more dangerous spreader of the virus…

Not any more dangerous a spreader than an un-vaccinated asymptomatic person who also would not quarantine, I would think.Vaccinated people are not contagious as long as un-vaccinated people and I heard that just a day ago.