[tophcfa]

I am very concerned that the vaccine is not going to be what we are hoping for. When the CEO of Moderna was asked how long the vaccine would provide protection against Covid infection, he said they were not sure, but their expectation is for only three months after receiving the second dose. I found that to be rather discouraging, perhaps I am missing something?

[tvbound]

I completely agree with those who are on the front lines (medical personnel, first responder's), many who are at their breaking point, getting the vaccine first. Although I am in the "elderly" group that are toward the front of the line to get it next, I hope that changes and I will happily step aside so that those who have been deemed "essential" and have continued working to make it easier for me to stay safe at home (store and retail workers, delivery people, mass transportation workers, etc.) - regardless of age.

Those of us who have been fortunate enough to be able to basically stay out of harm's way, but are simply upset that "life isn't normal, therefore I should be able to get the vaccine so that I can get back to doing what I want," are being very selfish in my honest opinion. There is absolutely no comparison, regarding those who have simply been inconvenienced, to so many others (often working at lower paying jobs) and don't have the luxury of becoming bored by staying home. Along with our healthcare workers and first responders, these people who have seen an out-sized percentage of their demographic affected by this pandemic - are the real heroes.

As for those who are conspiracy driven, or gullible (about a lot of things), in the big picture it might be a benefit that you've chosen not to get the vaccine - as that means more for those who do want and need it.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

When should is used in a sentence it is a sign of a personal value system.

It is a very laudable thing to do, and I applaud the reasoning.

I don't know how it will work out, but I plan to take the offer when the invitation is extended to me. They chose the elderly because a higher percentage get very sick and die. I don't know if you are "elderly", the name rankles me. lol. but I know that taking the shot takes you off the possibility list of getting and giving that ornery virus. I also know that you probably have descendants who care deeply after your safety, and probably want to come and see you and hug you and hold your hands and bring you surprises.

I think most people are trying to do the right thing. I believe that a very small percentage of humans are selfish. I give the honor for the elderly's collective good character to the mothers who raised us and the fathers who applied logic and explanations and love and a lot of serious talking to's. I think my parents would want me to get the shot when it is offered. I know our grandchildren and children want us to take it and will be so relieved when we are immunized.

As I said. Mandates and value systems are useless to change another. I am counting on everyone being responsible and knocking this ******* virus to dead as a doornail.

Get the vaccine. As soon as you can.

Please.

I’m sorry my name rankles you; however, due to a dolt it is what it is, or are you referring to elderly? In any event, I plan to start a band here in The Villages called the Elderly Brothers, hence I’m getting the name in the minds of possible patrons.

[Stu from NYC]

When our turn comes we will take the vaccine.

For the process to work it must flow as simply as possible. Just because someone defers taking it does not mean that your idea of a more worthy person gets it immediately

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

I’m sorry my name rankles you; however, due to a dolt it is what it is, or are you referring to elderly? In any event, I plan to start a band here in The Villages called the Elderly Brothers, hence I’m getting the name in the minds of possible patrons.

Your name is Elderly?

You play drums don't you?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

NYC firefighters who have seen what COVID does were just surveyed about wanting the vaccine. More than half would refuse it at this time wanting more information. While caution is always a consideration I am shocked that 55% would refuse the shots.

Wherever they are getting information needs to be doing a better job of explaining vaccines and how intensively the ones coming on line have been evaluated for short term risk vs benefit. This, like everything else in America, is going to get political. The "don't trust the government" groups are going to refuse to get shots, to mask, to social isolate and listen to people who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about, not conspiracy mongers and bald faced liars.



Independent studies may be well over a year away, probably longer. Vaccine efficacy data is collected almost exclusively by the CDC, and if you don't trust the government and believe the CDC is a scam, then you'll never have a source you believe. There have been nearly 100,000 people in the three vaccine trials that have been reported and no serious side effects have been found.

Unfortunately, we are in a period of "Truth Decay" from which we are spiraling out of control. AND we may NEVER spiral back into control.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Your name is Elderly?

You play drums don't you?

I’m not entirely sure due to my advanced years, but then, What’s in a name? I hope you can remember me for who I am and not for what I am called.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by blueash

Having gotten that off my chest, I'd like to correct OP as to the order recommended by the ACIP to receive vaccines.

First: Health Care Workers and residents of Long term care facilities This is called the 1a group
Health care workers includes:
• Hospitals
• Long-term care facilities
• Outpatient clinics
• Home health care
• Pharmacies
• Emergency medical services
• Public health

Long term care residents includes:
Skilled nursing facilities (~1.3 M beds)
• Assisted living facilities (~0.8 M beds)
• Other residential care (~0.9 M beds)

Next is the 1b group:

Phase 1b
Essential workers
(examples: Education Sector, Food & Agriculture, Utilities,
Police, Firefighters, Corrections Officers, Transportation)

Then the next group
Phase1c
Adults with high -risk medical conditions
Adults 65+

If this recommendation is finalized then well elderly are in the third group. The 1a group is estimated to require 48 million doses [24 million people]. The linked report does not list the number of doses needed for the 1b group. Neither vaccine is yet approved but there will be some decision in the next two weeks. Production is already underway as is some effort at distribution to have vaccine nearer to the target recipients. Pfizer has recently announced that it is having problems producing the number of doses it thought it could make. States have been told to expect far fewer doses than they initially were expected to receive.

Don't expect any vaccine to be available to the well senior group until early spring if the ACIP sticks to its initial thoughts. It might be even later.

Get your flu shot if you haven't. So far it has been a mild flu season likely to some extent as a result of the masking and distancing being used by some people for Covid control.

Great post, by the way! Long-term care facilities personnel and residents SHOULD be among those 1st vaccinated - because they are indoor "super spreader" areas. They also need the money, being currently withheld by the Federal Government, to ensure that they have the HVAC capacity to turn over the air frequently and create negative air pressure.

[Byte1]

Just my opinion right now, and that could change given new information, but I believe that the vaccine should go to those that are most vulnerable. What I mean is that if hospitalization and death occurs in a certain age group, I believe they should get it first. Since it hardly effects children, I would suggest that they be given it as soon as possible after those most vulnerable down to the least vulnerable. I realize that there are those that may be in contact with infected also, and I believe they should be in the upper tier when it comes to priority. That said, there are exceptions to any rule. I believe that we all should relax and just take it when offered. Personally, since I have a great immune system I would give my vaccine to my spouse. And since I do not allow panic and hysteria rule my life (what's left of it) I do not see the point of speculation or even demanding. On the one hand, I hear those that don't trust the vaccine and on the other hand I hear those that are demanding their place in line. And some of them are in both categories. The only reason I care about the vaccine is so that we can hear the last of this mandatory mask mandate that so many screamers demand. I wish to live life normally without having to pretend that I care about wearing masks to satisfy others.
Remember, the vaccine dosage count is not limited to 50 million doses. They will be steadily manufacturing, producing and shipping thousands of doses a day the whole time the vaccinations are being distributed. If you don't get in on the first wave of vaccinations, wait a bit and it will be first come first served before you know it. And does it really matter which version of it you get? After all, the results of these vaccines have tested better than any of our Flu vaccines that usually average between 40-60% effective. These are in the 90's% effective.
No reason to argue over who deserves the vaccine first. You'll get your turn at bat.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by amexsbow

Funny how the bureaucrats are holding up the vaccine here and the Brits start issuing shots tomorrow.

The US Health and Human Services is the standard of the World. The British are very good also. They take a only SLIGHTLY different approach to the same problem. What's your hurry? The ordinary American citizen is expected to get a vaccine by June. Personally, I think that it will be more like Dec. 2021. Already we are seeing glitches. NOTHING in life goes as quickly as planned. Does it in your life?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Neils

No worries. There is a group with higher priority than 1a. Those are the politicians and their staff members. You can bet that they will all “quietly” be vaccinated before Christmas.

Agreed, good post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Neils

No worries. There is a group with higher priority than 1a. Those are the politicians and their staff members. You can bet that they will all “quietly” be vaccinated before Christmas.

Also, we peons will Not be getting Regeneron when we get CV.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

I’m sorry my name rankles you; however, due to a dolt it is what it is, or are you referring to elderly? In any event, I plan to start a band here in The Villages called the Elderly Brothers, hence I’m getting the name in the minds of possible patrons.

Great band name!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

I’m not entirely sure due to my advanced years, but then, What’s in a name? I hope you can remember me for who I am and not for what I am called.

Probably better than being called Jim Jones.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I am very concerned that the vaccine is not going to be what we are hoping for. When the CEO of Moderna was asked how long the vaccine would provide protection against Covid infection, he said they were not sure, but their expectation is for only three months after receiving the second dose. I found that to be rather discouraging, perhaps I am missing something?

Perhaps you could provide a link to where you got this information about what the CEO of Moderna said as I can't find it. I suspect your statement is wrong. I suspect the CEO said the duration of protection is unknown which is obvious as they have only given it to test participants a few months ago so it is impossible to know if it lasts six months or 6 years. I suspect the CEO said they had good evidence of three months protection after the second shot NOT that they expected it to stop being effective at that time. So your source please?