[Bucco]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Hogwash! Do not believe that last part of the statement at all. In fact, please give us a link to that information from the WHO.

Masks may not be very protective for the person wearing the mask but they do help to slow the spread via source control. Masks are most certainly necessary for that reason alone.

See post #100.

This is just another mean and malicious attack on others from a group that seems to enjoy being malicious and mean spirited. A group that will go down in history but certainly on the wrong side and with nothing to even prop up knowingly supporting lies and liars

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bucco

See post #100.

This is just another mean and malicious attack on others from a group that seems to enjoy being malicious and mean spirited. A group that will go down in history but certainly on the wrong side and with nothing to even prop up knowingly supporting lies and liars

Oops. How did I miss that post? Thanks.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

From what I understand, this "vaccine" works very differently than all other vaccines. Some doctors say that it's technically not a vaccine.

While vaccines give you immunity from contracting the virus, this one prevents the virus from using your body to replicate itself. If the virus can't replicate, it can't make you sick.

But it sounds to me, and I am not a doctor or scientist, that you may still contract the virus but it can't hurt you. So if you are carrying the virus, you can possibly transmit it to others. It seems to me that once everyone that wants to be vaccinated is, then we can stop wearing masks.

If there is a doctor or scientist on this forum that can explain this better or contradict what I'm saying, please do so.

The question you ask is a wise one. Immunity is complex. Every year a better understanding of the multiple pathways by which we fight off disease is gained. Vaccines AKA immunizations, work because they expose your body to the disease causing organism, or some part of the disease organism. This exposure triggers your body to create two kinds of weapons to attack the disease. One kind is antibodies, this is the kind most often measured to see if you are "immune" to the disease. But there are also other responses mostly involving creating cells that attack the organism in one way or another, the most common are t-cells.

Some vaccines actually use the entire organism either weakened or killed. Polio and chicken pox are examples. Some vaccines instead have lab created proteins which are mimics of critical proteins from the disease organisms, Hepatitis B for example. The two new mRNA vaccines take a third approach. Instead of making the critical protein in the lab then injecting it, they have your body make the critical protein. The effect is the same.. your body is exposed to a foreign protein [in this case a spike protein].

Don't get too focused on contract vs replicate. For a virus, or bacteria, to make you ill there must be enough disease organism to produce symptoms. Once you are protected by a vaccine you can still have that germ get into your body, over and over. Once the germ is in you it is a race to see whether the germ can multiply rapidly enough to make you ill versus your body's immune system hunting down and killing the germ before it reaches the level of clinical illness. So a fully "immune" person can still have the germ enter their body and begin to multiply or replicate.

Interestingly each time you are exposed to the illness, it is expected that will act as a natural booster. There is no data yet that can tell with certainly how long a person who had clinical Covid will have protection from the disease. And similarly for someone who has been vaccinated.

People who say "I've had Covid so I can't catch it" are 100% wrong if by catch you mean have Covid enter your body and replicate. People who on this website tell you that you will need a booster have no science to support that, yet. People who tell you that you will not need a booster have no science to support that, yet.

If the CDC in a year declares no boosters are necessary, they may come back a few years, or months later and say boosters are necessary. That would be because the data changed. One reason it may change is once there is less circulating Covid we all will have fewer community exposures, thus fewer booster events.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Justus

Is there anyone besides me who, in January, 2020, watched an on-line video presentation of a meeting that took place in October, 2019, attended by Bill and Melinda Gates, a representative from John Hopkins, WHO director Tedros, and I believe a pharmaceutical entity? The purpose of the meeting was to propose a scenario whereby a Coronavirus strain from China would/could become a world pandemic? I and others watched the video, which was pulled from circulation shortly after a pandemic was declared. Just curious...

Are you saying you personally saw the video of this meeting? And that the Gateses were there, and Dr. Tedros was there? You remember those details. And the discussion was about a Chinese coronavirus? You remember that detail also. But mysteriously the video disappeared from the internet which you find curious but apparently that suggests some evil reason to you. Do I have it right?

[Byte1]

Wear your mask for the rest of your lives for all I care. Make a fashion statement of wearing a mask. Have fun and be in vogue.
I have no intention of wearing my mask after my second shot. And I have no intention of getting boosters in the following years. Folks on here keep saying that you wear the mask to protect other folks. Sorry, but I do not have the virus and I do not carry the virus. How do I know? Because I have not passed on the virus to my spouse, my children, my neighbors, my in-laws or my siblings. All of them have been around me with none of us wearing masks at one time or another. Therefore, I do not have the virus and I am not carrying it. Yes, I could possibly get some virus spores on my clothes or on my car, from the shopping cart, from a door handle, etc. SO? I am not wearing a mask to make you feel all warm and fuzzy so quit thinking you can shame or guilt everyone into succumbing to your fear/hysteria and conforming to your insistent standards.
I have little faith in the vaccination, but I got it. It makes some of my family feel better, as if they think I might be protected. No one has ever insisted that I get the Flu shot and I haven't had the FLU ever and the flu shot for over fifty years. So, get over your mask cult (it's nice being able to fling that term back at you) and go back to your own miserable lives. I am sure that some of your families are glad you are down here and not near them to make them miserable.
If you think that folks that don't wear a mask are dangerous, then avoid them like you would a barking dog or Holy water. I am sure that I only have a limited amount of time left on this lifespan, so don't agitate me while I attempt to enjoy it in spite of your fear mongering.

[blueash]

Now the facts which some people find that using Google and simply typing "gates coronavirus 2019 who" into the search engine gave me as the second hit a USAToday story about the meeting fact checking the online rumors. And as the third hit another fact check debunking the false claim still being made a year later.

Of course our contributor has to up the false material by claiming that Bill and Melinda Gates were at this secret meeting. In fact their foundation was one of the sponsors but they were not there. And while there were representatives from the WHO, its director Dr Tedros was not there either.

Lastly his claim that the videos have been erased from the internet is also false. If you care to watch 4 hours of the pandemic exercise you can at Event 201 videos including discussions and a highlights reel

They did run a coronavirus pandemic because the most likely virus to rapidly spread with high mortality was well known to be coronavirus, SARS and MERS being recent examples. But unlike the claim made that it was a China initiated virus, in the scenario for discussion it originated in a pig farm in South America. But don't let details like the truth get in the way of a feverish conspiracy theory pushed by InfoWars

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by blueash

Now the facts which some people find that using Google and simply typing "gates coronavirus 2019 who" into the search engine gave me as the second hit a USToday story about the meeting fact checking the online rumors. And as the third hit another fact check debunking the false claim still being made a year later.

Of course our contributor has to up the false material by claiming that Bill and Melinda Gates were at this secret meeting. In fact their foundation was one of the sponsors but they were not there. And while there were representatives from the WHO, its director Dr Tedros was not there either.

Lastly his claim that the videos have been erased from the internet is also false. If you care to watch 4 hours of the pandemic exercise you can at Event 201 videos including discussions and a highlights reel

They did run a coronavirus pandemic because the most likely virus to rapidly spread with high mortality was well known to be coronavirus, SARS and MERS being recent examples. But unlike the claim made that it was a China initiated virus, in the scenario for discussion it originated in a pig farm in South America. But don't let details like the truth get in the way of a feverish conspiracy theory pushed by InfoWars

NO...you mean someone came on this forum and knowingly told everyone an outright lie ?

How do people who support lying, or enable liars even look anyone in the eye ?

Is it that some are incapable of truth or respect for truth ?

I left a group that was someone I worked for and "thought" I respected because they became total and complete liars.

I measure most not because of differing opinions, or agreements, but on the basis of the respect they have for truth.

Some are simply incapable

I applaud you pointing out lies. It needs to be done.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Bucco

NO...you mean someone came on this forum and knowingly told everyone an outright lie ?

How do people who support lying, or enable liars even look anyone in the eye ?

Is it that some are incapable of truth or respect for truth ?

I left a group that was someone I worked for and "thought" I respected because they became total and complete liars.

I measure most not because of differing opinions, or agreements, but on the basis of the respect they have for truth.

Some are simply incapable

I applaud you pointing out lies. It needs to be done.

Thanks for the support. The only thing we might see a bit differently is your first thought.. " someone came on this forum and knowingly told everyone an outright lie"

I really think that many posters on this forum, and elsewhere have been told so often that anything the traditional media says is a lie, that anything that comes from a University or a well established organization is a lie. The only sources to be believed are those that know the "truth" like InfoWars and Q and Rush and their other trusted ones. So I honestly think they post what they think is the truth which is why I let things like "Fauci is a liar" go. But some things are so easy to debunk... who was actually at a meeting, did the video disappear.. that kind of thing. Maybe, just maybe, when those facts are shown it will make 1 in 100 of the conspiracists have a spark of curiosity to check whether their material is accurate and their sources are reliable.. then it was worthwhile to take the time to post the facts, the real facts.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by blueash

Thanks for the support. The only thing we might see a bit differently is your first thought.. " someone came on this forum and knowingly told everyone an outright lie"

I really think that many posters on this forum, and elsewhere have been told so often that anything the traditional media says is a lie, that anything that comes from a University or a well established organization is a lie. The only sources to be believed are those that know the "truth" like InfoWars and Q and Rush and their other trusted ones. So I honestly think they post what they think is the truth which is why I let things like "Fauci is a liar" go. But some things are so easy to debunk... who was actually at a meeting, did the video disappear.. that kind of thing. Maybe, just maybe, when those facts are shown it will make 1 in 100 of the conspiracists have a spark of curiosity to check whether their material is accurate and their sources are reliable.. then it was worthwhile to take the time to post the facts, the real facts.

I get your point.

But, I think you give these people much to much credit. Over the last few years, their “weakness” whether mental or whatever has been used and their minds manipulated to not care about what is true and what is not.

They have bought into the really obscene....if it’s bad news or does not validate me, it’s fake news..

I honestly do not know whether our country can survive what is happening. Too many do not think for themselves and worship at an obviously wrong altar

Not sure how we escape the weak minded and easily led.

I am not close to always right, but I respect truth...how anyone can be so weak is beyond me, but my country seems to be crammed with weak minds waiting to be led.

Sounds negative, and I suppose it is, but once you lose respect for truth, what’s left ?

[Justus]

Originally Posted by blueash

Are you saying you personally saw the video of this meeting? And that the Gateses were there, and Dr. Tedros was there? You remember those details. And the discussion was about a Chinese coronavirus? You remember that detail also. But mysteriously the video disappeared from the internet which you find curious but apparently that suggests some evil reason to you. Do I have it right?

You need to look at my post - carefully - and do not extrapolate from what it states to arrive at a convenient point from which to cast aspersions. Yes, I did personally view the entire video, which was shared by other sane and medically knowledgeable people. And yes, it did disappear from the internet, just as I said. Did I imply there was evil intent? No, you and another poster did that for me. I simply asked if anyone on TOTV had seen it before it was removed. That said, since you have brought attention to the elephant in the room, who is in better position to do so than Bill Gates and Microsoft?

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Jean G

the World Health Organization put out information on 1/25/21 stating masks do nothing to protect anyone and they are unnecessary.

That statement is totally incorrect.

PolitiFact | No, WHO didn't just say you don’t need to wear a mask

"After reviewing a transcript of the press conference cited, we didn’t find evidence to support the claim that the WHO said people don’t need to wear masks."

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Justus

You need to look at my post - carefully - and do not extrapolate from what it states to arrive at a convenient point from which to cast aspersions. Yes, I did personally view the entire video, which was shared by other sane and medically knowledgeable people. And yes, it did disappear from the internet, just as I said. Did I imply there was evil intent? No, you and another poster did that for me. I simply asked if anyone on TOTV had seen it before it was removed. That said, since you have brought attention to the elephant in the room, who is in better position to do so than Bill Gates and Microsoft?

AHHH YES,

Yet another conspiracy theory being floated.

Bad enough our country is in peril because of all the "conspiracies" being fermented.....but on something like public health, it is inexcusable.

You do the old "National Enquirer" proud

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by blueash

Thanks for the support. The only thing we might see a bit differently is your first thought.. " someone came on this forum and knowingly told everyone an outright lie"

I really think that many posters on this forum, and elsewhere have been told so often that anything the traditional media says is a lie, that anything that comes from a University or a well established organization is a lie. The only sources to be believed are those that know the "truth" like InfoWars and Q and Rush and their other trusted ones. So I honestly think they post what they think is the truth which is why I let things like "Fauci is a liar" go. But some things are so easy to debunk... who was actually at a meeting, did the video disappear.. that kind of thing. Maybe, just maybe, when those facts are shown it will make 1 in 100 of the conspiracists have a spark of curiosity to check whether their material is accurate and their sources are reliable.. then it was worthwhile to take the time to post the facts, the real facts.

You know, I already responded to this post but it really nags at me that people, supposedly with intelligence, are allowed to continue in public with minds that work like that.

We are damaged right now and allowing this to continue is inexcusable.

I do not know the real answer, but allowing people to behave in this manner, and "explaining" it for them is just wrong. Some day, some time they must be made to answer for this strange and weird behavior.

No conspiracy theory has made it to the side of truth. Some are modified a bit, but they are lies nonetheless.

It is nice of you to "understand" them, but the damage is great and continuing. The websites you mention are bizarre and weird places. When "Q" leaders and those like them that you mention have sway and roam the halls of our country, the trouble is not coming......it is here.

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by donassaid

When will you realize that Fauci is an a puppet of the globalists like Gates, and Soros who has been wrong about everything concerning the virus. Amzing that anyone still believes anything he says.

What I find amazing is that people are clamoring to get this mRNA vaccine although it’s only had a few months of research and trials! Something that usually requires years! You trust the “powers that be” much more than I do! I sincerely hope it works for you!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

What I find amazing is that people are clamoring to get this mRNA vaccine although it’s only had a few months of research and trials! Something that usually requires years! You trust the “powers that be” much more than I do! I sincerely hope it works for you!

As a starting point to understand....

COVID-19 vaccine: How was it developed so fast?