[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Over 1/2 MILLION US citizens DIED. That IS significant..... don't you think??????

Did you shed any tears over the 60,000 to 100,000 who die of flu each year? How about the over 55,000 who die in car accidents? Or maybe the hundreds of thousands that die of other causes EACH YEAR?? Stop with the virtue signaling. It isn't working.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by coralway

I would guess the families and friends of the 584,000 dead would disagree.

One can only imagine what that number could have been without all the precautions taken?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Did you shed any tears over the 60,000 to 100,000 who die of flu each year? How about the over 55,000 who die in car accidents? Or maybe the hundreds of thousands that die of other causes EACH YEAR?? Stop with the virtue signaling. It isn't working.

If by flu you are referring to seasonal influenza, that number runs around 30,000, and for me yes, I shed tears over them - they are my fellow Americans, humans, and people with families.

I shed tears over them because so many of them are preventable if Flu vaccinations were mandatory (which would pay for itself in reduced loss of productivity and reduced cost of healthcare).

Even the influenza vaccination is not perfect. And some will die, but I shed tears over any unnecessary death that could have been prevented.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

If by flu you are referring to seasonal influenza, that number runs around 30,000, and for me yes, I shed tears over them - they are my fellow Americans, humans, and people with families.

I shed tears over them because so many of them are preventable if Flu vaccinations were mandatory (which would pay for itself in reduced loss of productivity and reduced cost of healthcare).

Even the influenza vaccination is not perfect. And some will die, but I shed tears over any unnecessary death that could have been prevented.

Per the CDC:
2016-2017 flu deaths 61,000
2017-2018 flu deaths 95,000
2018-2019 flu deaths 53,000

My point was not directed at you but at the false narrative that only Covid deaths matter.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Per the CDC:
2016-2017 flu deaths 61,000
2017-2018 flu deaths 95,000
2018-2019 flu deaths 53,000

My point was not directed at you but at the false narrative that only Covid deaths matter.

Which CDC page was that? (I suspect you were reading the wrong column)

This CDC page shows the estimates as:
2016-2017: 38,000
2017-2018: 61,000
2018-2019: 34,000


All deaths matter but the number of Covid deaths in the short timeframe and the impact the virus continues to have on the world make Covid a bit different.

When the number of Covid deaths fall to something similar to the flu and when the reaction to a Covid diagnosis is something far less than quarantines and lockdowns then Covid will be just another one of the many killer diseases we wish we could get rid of.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Please give me an example of one adverse side effect. I DO NOT mean the usual side effects such as fever, body aches and generalized flu like symptoms. Tell me about a side effect that is truly adverse.

Why would a well person want fever, body aches and flu like symptoms?

As far as the side effects go, well the data is still coming in on that. Most side effects from the vaccine are mild but, then again, most cases of Covid-19 are mild for those in the lower risk groups.

One of the most serious side effects of the vaccine that I'm aware of were blood clots (thrombosis) associated with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. I've heard of other reported side effects up to, and including, sudden unexplained death following the vaccination.

Are fears of the vaccination overblown? Probably. Are fears of Covid-19 overblown for most people? Probably.

it is not the open/shut case that you might think that it is.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Did you shed any tears over the 60,000 to 100,000 who die of flu each year? How about the over 55,000 who die in car accidents? Or maybe the hundreds of thousands that die of other causes EACH YEAR?? Stop with the virtue signaling. It isn't working.

The flu has apparently been eradicated off of the planet. Some car accident victims apparently wound up as Covid statistics. So maybe car accident deaths are down, too?

It's all a confusing whirlwind.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The mRNA vaccines continue to give protection against the variants besides the original strain so I'm not sure what you mean here. This article is dated May 14, 2021............

Vaccines seem to work well against Covid variants. It's also complicated

Doctors in England are worried about the S. African and Indian variants that are coming into England. They are thinking that they may have to go back to some form of quarantine.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

It's their life and their risk to take. Most people are not going to get that sick even if they do catch Covid. The most vulnerable people have a high vaccination rate.

Children are far more at risk from other viruses and bacteria than they are from Covid. Keeping them isolated and "safe" has weakened their immune systems. Pregnant women who have stayed isolated and safe are not able to pass healthy antibodies onto their newborns.

There is more than one side to the coin. Covid is a big deal in nursing homes but not a big deal in elementary schools. The important thing is that the most vulnerable have access to the vaccine. Let those who are less vulnerable figure out if they need this vaccine or not.

The British variant of CV that is gaining in the US is sickening and killing young children. And I believe that is NOT true about pregnant women.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

It's their life and their risk to take. Most people are not going to get that sick even if they do catch Covid. The most vulnerable people have a high vaccination rate.

Children are far more at risk from other viruses and bacteria than they are from Covid. Keeping them isolated and "safe" has weakened their immune systems. Pregnant women who have stayed isolated and safe are not able to pass healthy antibodies onto their newborns.

There is more than one side to the coin. Covid is a big deal in nursing homes but not a big deal in elementary schools. The important thing is that the most vulnerable have access to the vaccine. Let those who are less vulnerable figure out if they need this vaccine or not.

Around 600,000 US citizens have died from CV. Many others had painful hospital stays. Many others will have LONG HAUL CV symptoms - perhaps for the rest of their lives - no one knows for sure. What if your 5-year-old child had symptoms for the rest of their lives? NOT a good situation. Get a high enough % (80%) of people vaccinated to NOT take that chance and stamp out CV forever! Your country depends on you!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Please give me an example of one adverse side effect. I DO NOT mean the usual side effects such as fever, body aches and generalized flu like symptoms. Tell me about a side effect that is truly adverse.

Eric Clapton hits out at 'propaganda' over vaccine safety | Daily Mail Online

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Donald Trump and Melania had Covid. They were advised by their doctors to get vaccinated. They had their first shots before they left the White House. It is very prudent to get vaccinated even if you have had Covid.......

When Should You Get Vaccinated if You’ve Had COVID-19? – Health Essentials from Cleveland Clinic

Yes, good post!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

If you are not in the vulnerable group, why risk being vaccinated and have a potential long term problem?!?...

Getting DEAD from CV IS a "long-term problem". And NOT a fake problem like the made-up problems about the vaccines!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Did you shed any tears over the 60,000 to 100,000 who die of flu each year? How about the over 55,000 who die in car accidents? Or maybe the hundreds of thousands that die of other causes EACH YEAR?? Stop with the virtue signaling. It isn't working.

I am medical health care "signaling.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Why would a well person want fever, body aches and flu like symptoms?

As far as the side effects go, well the data is still coming in on that. Most side effects from the vaccine are mild but, then again, most cases of Covid-19 are mild for those in the lower risk groups.

One of the most serious side effects of the vaccine that I'm aware of were blood clots (thrombosis) associated with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. I've heard of other reported side effects up to, and including, sudden unexplained death following the vaccination.

Are fears of the vaccination overblown? Probably. Are fears of Covid-19 overblown for most people? Probably.

it is not the open/shut case that you might think that it is.

The J & J vaccine was found to be safe!