[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

The flu has apparently been eradicated off of the planet. Some car accident victims apparently wound up as Covid statistics. So maybe car accident deaths are down, too?

It's all a confusing whirlwind.

Car accidents WERE down due to the quarantine.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The British variant of CV that is gaining in the US is sickening and killing young children. And I believe that is NOT true about pregnant women.

Reference please. I did a search and couldn't find anything about variants killing children.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by stanley

Eric Clapton hits out at 'propaganda' over vaccine safety | Daily Mail Online

ONE person.....statistically that is an N of 1..........basically meaningless.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Reference please. I did a search and couldn't find anything about variants killing children.

Get real! It took me 30 sec to find these
1) NY Times....... CV killing young children in Brazil
2) Reuters........Singapore warns children susceptible to virus variants
3) Economic Times.........Why is CV killing so many children in Brazil?
4) Web.MD.com..........Children develop long haul CV problems - data from the UK
And there were several others!!!!!!!!! Took me much longer to type this than to find it.
Hope that made you happy!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Per the CDC:
2016-2017 flu deaths 61,000
2017-2018 flu deaths 95,000
2018-2019 flu deaths 53,000

My point was not directed at you but at the false narrative that only Covid deaths matter.

Please provide a link, because those do not match the numbers I find at the CDC.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Car accidents WERE down due to the quarantine.

I know. I was attempting to use a little humorous bad math to demonstrate how preposterous some of the numbers are out there.

Of course, the flu did not just miraculously vanish and car accidents did decline because people were driving less. Yet, I have still heard tales about car accident victims' deaths being labeled as Covid related. I've heard of a person, who died from sepsis stemming from an untreated urinary tract infection, have their death labeled Covid.

The CDC has confirmed that the number of deaths caused by Covid alone are pretty low. Most of the deaths had significant other causes associated with them.

That explains why the schools that have reopened along with service industry and healthcare workers haven't been absolutely decimated by the virus. In fact, they've fared pretty darned well.

[Cobullymom]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Members of my household have been going to their service industry jobs and dealing with the public face to face throughout this pandemic. Even when dentists and primary care physicians had closed their offices and weren't seeing patients, there were workers heading to their jobs at grocery stores, pharmacies, food service, gasoline stations - day in, day out.

That has helped to shape my perspective as to the risks of this virus. When you live with the risk daily, you get a pretty good idea how bad (or not so bad) things really are, at least in terms of yourself and your own family.

I'm the 55 year old mom who had healthy, active teens going to their jobs and schools plus activities. And, I was also the whippersnapper who was out running errands for her elderly mom. I haven't had the luxury of "staying safe" but thankfully we did manage to get through the better part of a year without a vaccine.

Now that the cases are falling, vulnerable people have gotten vaccinated and the actual risks of catching Covid have been greatly reduced we are now supposed to run out and get vaccinated even though we have likely already had the virus, albeit mild cases of it?

Why?

Thank you, exactly my thoughts

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

ONE person.....statistically that is an N of 1..........basically meaningless.

Again.....caffeine lady asked for just 1, guess you didn't see that

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Please give me an example of one adverse side effect. I DO NOT mean the usual side effects such as fever, body aches and generalized flu like symptoms. Tell me about a side effect that is truly adverse.

And I gave "her" this

Eric Clapton hits out at 'propaganda' over vaccine safety | Daily Mail Online

No need for your response

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Why would a well person want fever, body aches and flu like symptoms?

As far as the side effects go, well the data is still coming in on that. Most side effects from the vaccine are mild but, then again, most cases of Covid-19 are mild for those in the lower risk groups.

One of the most serious side effects of the vaccine that I'm aware of were blood clots (thrombosis) associated with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. I've heard of other reported side effects up to, and including, sudden unexplained death following the vaccination.

Are fears of the vaccination overblown? Probably. Are fears of Covid-19 overblown for most people? Probably.

it is not the open/shut case that you might think that it is.

I was aware that young people were much more apt to develop the flu like symptoms after the second shot of the mRNA vaccines. I was actually hoping I would have a reaction which would signal to me that my immune system is still quite robust for an old broad. My immune system did not fail me. I know now that my immune system has a lot of life left. I welcomed those symptoms after my 2nd Moderna shot. After a miserable 10 1/2 hours, I was good to go.

It is unfortunate that J&J vaccine has had some problems but I'm more concerned for the mRNA vaccines. My husband and my entire family has received the Moderna vaccine so that is why I am more concerned with mRNA vaccines. With all the reading I have done about the mRNA vaccines, there has been no evidence those vaccines have been the direct cause of death yet.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Doctors in England are worried about the S. African and Indian variants that are coming into England. They are thinking that they may have to go back to some form of quarantine.

Which vaccine is England using to vaccinate their population? Is it the AZ vaccine? I don't follow what is happening with any vaccines with the exception of the mRNA vaccines. So far, the mRNA vaccines seem to be extremely safe and effective against the variants.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Eric Clapton hits out at 'propaganda' over vaccine safety | Daily Mail Online

Maybe I should have specified I'm only following and interested in mRNA vaccines. Eric Clapton did not have mRNA vaccine. Amazing that Clapton still had the second shot after suffering a severe problematic reaction after his first shot. Go figure!

[coffeebean]

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[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Which CDC page was that? (I suspect you were reading the wrong column)

This CDC page shows the estimates as:
2016-2017: 38,000
2017-2018: 61,000
2018-2019: 34,000


All deaths matter but the number of Covid deaths in the short timeframe and the impact the virus continues to have on the world make Covid a bit different.

When the number of Covid deaths fall to something similar to the flu and when the reaction to a Covid diagnosis is something far less than quarantines and lockdowns then Covid will be just another one of the many killer diseases we wish we could get rid of.

Past Seasons Estimated Influenza Disease Burden | CDC

You are only posting the estimate not the range.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Past Seasons Estimated Influenza Disease Burden | CDC

You are only posting the estimate not the range.

And you only posted the high end of the range. The table below showing typically fewer than 30,000 flu deaths would be just as accurate:

2016-2017: 29,000
2017-2018: 46,000
2018-2019: 26,000

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Maybe I should have specified I'm only following and interested in mRNA vaccines. Eric Clapton did not have mRNA vaccine. Amazing that Clapton still had the second shot after suffering a severe problematic reaction after his first shot. Go figure!

Maybe, but, ah, well ..........., humana, humana, humana