[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Ah, but some have a natural RESISTANCE to it, perhaps. I doubt I am immune to the Flu, but I must have a resistance to it since I have never had it.

I suspect that exposure to previous Coronaviruses in the past made some people especially resistant to Covid-19 and also helped to keep the symptoms mild in most of the people who did catch it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Sweden remained open during Covid. Bars, restaurants, schools, businesses, gyms etc. They initially had a spike in Covid deaths, but where are they today? The pundits all told us that they made a terrible mistake and their population would suffer because of their decision to remain open. The US shut schools, forced businesses to close, isolated families, trashed the economy and compounded the national debt. But we saved lives - right? Not based on the statistics we didn’t. Sweden has a population of 10.23 million and 14,267 Covid deaths. We have a population of 328.2 million and 584,000 Covid deaths. That’s .0014 of Sweden’s population and .0018 of the US population...

The following information was taken from Sage Journals......as of July 5, 2020, Sweden had a death rate of .54 / 1,000 population. That was about 10 TIMES HIGHER than its neighbors Norway, Denmark, and Finland. The Swedes SCRAPPED their incorrect attempt at herd immunity and CHANGED QUICKLY to more restrictive MANDATES. They ADAPTED well! Please google Sage Journals.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Sweden remained open during Covid. Bars, restaurants, schools, businesses, gyms etc. They initially had a spike in Covid deaths, but where are they today? The pundits all told us that they made a terrible mistake and their population would suffer because of their decision to remain open. The US shut schools, forced businesses to close, isolated families, trashed the economy and compounded the national debt. But we saved lives - right? Not based on the statistics we didn’t. Sweden has a population of 10.23 million and 14,267 Covid deaths. We have a population of 328.2 million and 584,000 Covid deaths. That’s .0014 of Sweden’s population and .0018 of the US population...

Try comparing Finland's death rate to the US's. As of May 12, 2021, Finland had ONLY 930 CV deaths. 939 / Finlands population of 5,548,360 equals .00017 ..........MUCH lower than the US! It shows what the US COULD have done with social intelligence and leadership more like a REAL country!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

There is no natural immunity prior to getting COVID.

Yes!!!
People keep saying things like this; I am healthy, I don't take medicine, I have a lot of natural immunity, if you isolate your self you lose your natural immunity. I work out. I eat healthy, and my blood pressure is good. I don't need the shot.

AND I say just what you said. If you have not had the shot or had Covid-19 you have no immunity to it. ZERO. Zilch. NADA.

[Gulfcoast]

A person who has already had the virus is not going to get any benefit, whatsoever, from getting the vaccine. Why should they feel compelled to expose themselves to possible adverse side effects if the vaccination will do them no good anyway?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Funny when all these civilized countries need help we have to bail them out and there still sucking on uncle sams dollar. How about those civilized countries paying us back for our sacrifice? O. I see they don’t help out uncivilized countries.

Please list the civilized countries we have "bailed out" recently.

[Gulfcoast]

The overreach seen in some states is getting some push back now, finally. The vaccine has changed the formula and it is much harder to justify draconian mandates. Hopefully, sanity will be returning across the country because we really, really need for it to.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Sweden remained open during Covid. Bars, restaurants, schools, businesses, gyms etc. They initially had a spike in Covid deaths, but where are they today? The pundits all told us that they made a terrible mistake and their population would suffer because of their decision to remain open. The US shut schools, forced businesses to close, isolated families, trashed the economy and compounded the national debt. But we saved lives - right? Not based on the statistics we didn’t. Sweden has a population of 10.23 million and 14,267 Covid deaths. We have a population of 328.2 million and 584,000 Covid deaths. That’s .0014 of Sweden’s population and .0018 of the US population...

Sweden did make a TERRIBLE mistake!!!!!!! When you compare them to their comparable sister countries like Finland, Denmark, and Norway, then Sweden has a DEATH rate ten times higher or more! The US can NOT be compared to the Scandinavian countries because THEY have the MUCH SUPERIOR health care system! The US has superior Universities and good Doctors and medical knowledge, but the care that TRICKLES DOWN to the average US person is PATHETIC. Look at the world lists, the US is around 35th in health categories. If you don't have good medical insurance or NO medical insurance, see how well you are treated! Slovenia, for example, is much higher on the world lists than the US. Look it up - if you don't believe me!

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Please list the civilized countries we have "bailed out" recently.

Hundreds of billions of US dollars are transferred from the US Treasury to the IMF. That way other countries can suck on the US teat under some cover. Each year directed funds are authorized by congress to dozens of countries, individually. And do not forget the World Bank (US being a major shareholder) money laundering socialist schemes.


As far as what countries get what you can do you own research easily on line.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Did you mean was it unescapable? This is the difficulty. This never before faced difficulty by those now living on earth brought many unsolvable problems. Our leaders faced them and none really solved them but used compromises. They would be damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

Naturally a deadly virus that attacks the whole world is going to slow down economic exchange. It is like the story of King Solomon and the two women who both claimed to be the mother to a baby. He asked them....Should I divide the child with my sword?? We were in that kind of mess with this Pandemic. There was no PAT answer. People do not want to die and they do not want their loved ones to die and they do not want their income to stop.

Now we are opening back up and the stipends are making things worse, not better.

Many other countries solved the SAME problem. Avoid ethnocentrism!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

I think that the highly selective business shutdowns were not necessary in this situation and did more harm than good to the country. Ditto school shutdowns.

I think the added precautions in LTC facilities saved lives and were necessary. Beyond that, I think that people should have just been allowed to assess the risks for themselves and reacted accordingly. Painting everyone with one broad brush when most people were never at great risk from this virus was misguided.

Unfortunately, each of us is NOT an island unto themselves.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Remember "Two weeks to slow the curve"? That was the advice of Fauci and the CDC before they really had an understanding of what was going on. When it became apparent that this was a much more serious health crisis, we had a leader who stepped up, cut through red tape, and got the ball rolling on vaccines and mitigation.

Now, 14 months later, we find the CDC and Fauci way behind the curve with their rules and mandates. Almost 55% vaccinated not counting those who have immunity from getting Covid. Yesterday TSA screened the highest number of air travelers since 14 months ago.

Yes, there are pockets where, I'll be blunt, Darwin's children refuse to get the shot but in general I believe we are over the hump and ready for normalcy whether the CDC says so or not. We have had enough of bureaucratic overreach.

Why do we blame the bureaucracy when we voted them in and we don't take the time to contemplate what is wrong with our system. For example, in Australia, everyone votes or they get a fine. Start with that! Too many are ethnocentric and assume that the US is PERFECT!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Disagree with what?!? We had the shut downs they are still dead. I truly don’t understand your post...

That is the fallacy of a FALSE NEGATIVE. Without the shutdowns, the deaths COULD HAVE BEEN higher, like one MILLION. But I can't prove a negative, so keep up the lack of logic!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

You ask "why"? There are many un-vaccinated people that are prime hosts for the virus to create more variants. Those variants have the ability to possibly render our current vaccines incapable of the protection they currently provide. It is all about mitigating the variants at this point, IMHO.

Correct..........your bean is working great!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

Hindsight is always the clearest. Sweden also has social programs that we don't that provides a safety net for their citizens.

Correct!!!!!!!!!