[biker1]

My preference would be that the states enact their own laws. This way if you don't agree with the law you can move to another state. Such freedoms don't exist with Federal Law unless you want to leave the country. The SC is doing their job by ruling on Roe.

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well, first, Roe has been changed many time over 50 years, and none have withstood the legal challenge.

Yes, the SCOTUS is making a legal determination of a specific case, and has dragged Roe V Wade into that decision, it was not necessary, but the court decided to do it, which is certain something it can do.

In this case, my preference is that we get a Federal Law that defines the legality of abortions, and what areas are grey - ie. rape, health risk of mother, etc. THEN. the states can refine that to meet their individual constituents desires.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by biker1

My preference would be that the states enact their own laws. This way if you don't agree with the law you can move to another state. Such freedoms don't exist with Federal Law unless you want to leave the country. The SC is doing their job by ruling on Roe.

My concern is the last time we left something affecting human rights up to the States it didn't turn out well.

We're off to a bad start with States already passing laws to try to affect what happens in others (can't remember the details right now but along the lines of enabling their citizens to sue doctors in abortion-friendly States).

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by stevecmo

I trust all you "my body, my choice" folks feel the same about vaccines? Asking for a friend.

My Body, My Choice people should have been smarter about their first choice & wouldn't have to make the second choice. As stated by a friend.




Yes, Yes, Yes, rape is different.

[Topspinmo]

What I find outrageous won’t execute serial killers or murderers, but abortion no problem.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by biker1

My preference would be that the states enact their own laws. This way if you don't agree with the law you can move to another state. Such freedoms don't exist with Federal Law unless you want to leave the country. The SC is doing their job by ruling on Roe.

Some federal laws are just not enforced, so really don’t have to move in some cases.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I don't know the legal definition of murder - I expect it is different in every state, but I am pretty sure it has to do with death/killing of a person/human. You can't "murder" a butterfly or dog - I think.

Consider, if you see a person bleeding out on the side of the road and you don't do anything to help them, did you murder them?

Is abortion murder? If it has to be killing a person, then we circle back to what is a person.

First - define human, then we can decide if something is murder.

Define a viable human. That is what is the crux of this debate. If a fetus is not viable on its own, there is no murder of a human or non human. Doesn't matter what the definition of human is.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I m not sure, but last I heard, pregnancy is not a public health hazard. At least I hope it is not contagious that would change every thing.

Exactly!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I am not sure WHERE you read that, but you are wrong. Ask any hospital worker. Anyway this is off topic and needs to be dropped. We have argued about this for over two years, and there is no one going to change anyone else's minds. I feel sorry for you. But you can believe what you choose.

Exactly!

[Taltarzac725]

American Creation: The Founding Fathers and Abortion in Colonial America

I found this relevant to this thread.

[thevillages2013]

[QUOTE=dewilson58;2092195]My Body, My Choice people should have been smarter about their first choice & wouldn't have to make the second choice. As stated by a friend.






Abortion followed immediately by sterilization. No second offenders

[DaleDivine]

[QUOTE=thevillages2013;2092244]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

My Body, My Choice people should have been smarter about their first choice & wouldn't have to make the second choice. As stated by a friend.






Abortion followed immediately by sterilization. No second offenders

This should be done to stop baby mills.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

define a viable human. That is what is the crux of this debate. If a fetus is not viable on its own, there is no murder of a human or non human. Doesn't matter what the definition of human is.

in the game of falling dominoes, is not the first one as important as the last ? Opinions cannot obfuscate physics, human ego thinks it can.
It can't. As in dominoes, it really is black or white.

[Dotneko]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

My Body, My Choice people should have been smarter about their first choice & wouldn't have to make the second choice. As stated by a friend.




Yes, Yes, Yes, rape is different.

Simple solution. Sterilize men at birth. Have it reversed when it's approved that they can reproduce. The approval board is made up by women who are not their mother.

[MDLNB]

You can argue all day long about abortion, but this has nothing to do with whether you are killing a baby, fetus or whatever. It has nothing to do with a "woman's rights."
It is decision as to whether or not the Federal Gov. should have any say or whether it should be left up to the states to decide if they wish to legalize abortion in their state. It has to do with Federal Government overreach. It does not define what is abortion, murder or anything to do with infringing on women's rights. Just a simple decision on whether or not Roe is going to control our individual states rights. And the whole thing is based on a "draft" of what is being proposed. If I am wrong, show me in Dodd where I am wrong on my analysis. This is NOT political, but a Constitutional legality of whether or not the overlord federal gov can make decisions for individuals in an individual state or abide by the 10th Amendment.

[Luggage]

Here's what I don't understand, it's not okay to have an abortion because you're killing a baby but there's a carve out that says if it's the woman's life in danger or the pregnancy is from a rape etc, or the baby is going to be born brain dead or terribly defective it is then okay? So really what's the difference whether or not the baby dies from an abortion due to these reasons but not any other reason? Yes it's morality and you can't base it on religious law. Religious war has certainly been fought on lesser reasons. I believe the best thing for the country is it to be decided on a state-by-state basis and then you live where you want to. I have three children two of which our daughters and they are extremely for a woman's rights for their own bodies. I remember many years where I would read about women dying because they go to get " fixed " with an unlicensed uncertified so-called doctor Who was not really a doctor. Was that worse? And honestly I never hear anyone say okay you should have the baby and I'll take care of it for you and pay all the expenses and love it for you, but of course there were tens of thousands of potential parents waiting for adoptions. There is no right answer excepting in your own brain. And since the schools and your own parents don't really teach you much about how not to get pregnant I will never see a solution in my lifetime