[nick demis]

Originally Posted by LoisR

As the author so states: "The report is attempting to "predict" shooting scenarios." Please raise your hands high, and you might as well assume the position, if you've ever read of a police shooting involving a black officer and a black "suspect."
Since most police departments don't even employ minority officers, and the few that do have only a minimal staffing, how accurate is the report?

So your using a fact that most police departments don't employ minorities in the country? Yet you fail to say that most communities in the country have less than 1% minorities. I live in a town, in the liberal state of Massachusetts, and the minority population in my town and the surrounding towns are about 0.7%. In my town of 12 policemen there are 2 minorities and 3 women. Does that mean that as a white man I am being unjustly represented? So much for your argument. Anybody can find a fact that suit their needs but few are willing to do proper research to determine the true facts.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They do matter. And until everyone is on board with that fact, "all" lives will not yet matter.

People that make ludicrous assumptions about police brutality should try walking a mile in their shoes. Perhaps if they were to do a ride along, they could better appreciate the difficult job in which they are being underpaid to perform. And by the way, most ride alongs only see the less dangerous part of police duties, because the police are trying to protect them while still performing their duties.
Most police enforce the law while being color blind. A law broken is the same regardless of the color of the perp. I know that many prefer to conveniently avoid that perspective, because it does not fit their narrative.

[Nusch]

Unfortunately only about 14% of America is black and a vast majority of urban crime in committed by African Americans. Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Detroit and NewYork are currently being vacated by those who can.leave.

[kanoa1kale2]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.

Coming from Chicago, it was preordained to be 100 pages long.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

Dont resist and cooperate when stopped by police and none of your statements occurs. Quote your sources for your hate of police comments

[wwwson]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Statistics to support an opinion? Pretty sure I don't need any. I was under the assumption that the "issues" were not "white cops shooting - exclusively - black people."

It's based on what I thought. So - 100% of all people who use the handle OrangeBlossomBaby on websites dedicated to Talk of the Villages - agree.

There's your statistic.

I was wondering if you had any reports or analysis on the phenomenon of the excessive number of shootings of blacks, BY BLACKS in areas such as Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee. Far more blacks have lost their life at the hands of other blacks then at the hands of police.
Some STAGGERING numbers from 2011 Chicago PD:
VICTIMS

83.4% of deaths were from shootings, 6.7% stabbings, and 6.5% assaults. Of the 362 firearm homicides, 351 (97%) were from handguns. 77% of all homicide victims had a prior arrest history. Victims were 90% male.

Victims By Race:
Black 326 75.3% Hispanic 82 18.9% White 20 4.6%. Other 5 1.2%

Offenders By Race:
Black 122 71.3% Hispanic 42 24.6% White 6 3.5% Other 1 .6%

It may be more beneficial to focus on the bigger cause of unnecessary deaths in America than to sensationalize other causes of deaths In our communities.

[greenflash245]

the cops do target blacks, whether the cop is black or white or pink or blue. don't kid yourself

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by greenflash245

the cops do target blacks, whether the cop is black or white or pink or blue. don't kid yourself

I do not agree. Tell us why you say this.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

“Under suspicion of the same crimes” is an interesting distinction. Thanks. It’s important. It gives a different answer than say, comparing one neighborhood with another. Poorer, more densely populated neighborhoods are more likely to have a higher crime rate, irrespective of skin color, and so to have more police personnel assigned to it. More crimes happen, more are seen, more attempts at arrest are made, more criminals resist arrest in many ways, and so more violence between criminals and cops occurs. Again, this is irrespective of skin color. I don’t believe cops often think, “This suspect has dark skin, so I’m going to beat him hard as I attempt to arrest him as he resists me and threatens my life,” or “This suspect has a pinkish tan complexion, so if he threatens my life while resisting arrest, I’m just going to politely ask him to comply without laying a finger on him.” (I’m not talking about a general level of anger, fear, mistrust, or racism many cops develop because of how they are treated in a community that leads to an aggressive and authoritarian response to provocation of any sort by darker-skinned people.)

I believe many cops have highly prejudiced attitudes against people with darker skins, generally conditioned by experience, and many people with darker skins (but not most!) have highly prejudiced attitudes toward light-skinned people in general but especially against police officers of any sort, ALSO generally conditioned by experience. However, I think the evidence shows that when it comes to attempts at arrest, cops tend to react the normal way they react to resistance, and the worse the resistance, the worse the response. If the criminal happens to have darker skin, that is seen as racism. If the criminal happens to have lighter skin, that is usually not seen as racism. In fact, neither one is primarily racist, but hatred of criminal action and a desire to make the arrest. Another element is that when lighter-skinned people who resist arrest are arrested after police violence, this usually happens in some other neighborhood than one with mostly darker-skinned people, so the darker-skinned people don’t witness it and come to believe that the violence must be due to their skin color.

I very much want to see relations between the police and the community improve. I want cops to learn effective ways of defusing situations. I also want community members to respond to law enforcement officers with respect, both verbal and physical. I’d like to see them cooperate more with police by telling them where to find criminals so they can be arrested. The old habit of not telling the police harms people. Sometimes a law-abiding mother or brother can save the lives of others by calling the police and saying, “I know my son did this, and here is where you will find him.” This goes against human nature, but it is part of being a good citizen. People should be rewarded for this citizenship.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They do matter. And until everyone is on board with that fact, "all" lives will not yet matter.

My problem with statements like this from certain groups is not that I don't agree with them, but they are very idealistic and lacking in realism. Most humans in today's world are far more able to see people as people because of the overwhelming information we are shown and absorb.

Those who grew up in multi-diverse heavily populated areas and those who grew up in areas of relatively low crime have completely different life experiences.

I moved here from Cincinnati after living on a street with many ethnicities, BUT they were all employed by General Electric or Proctor and Gamble or The Lakota School System and made quite a bit of money. The area where I was a child had no murder committed in my whole going to school time. We did have drunks and domestic abuse.

I was called a liar by my next door neighbor in Hadley when I told him that. He was a cop from the Bronx. And he wasn't like any police officer I had ever known or either of the two family members who were life long police officer or like the dads of kids in my class who were police officers. Most of us have had very different life experiences so we can't be lecturing others thinking we walked in their shoes.

I have changed from one way of "thinking" as a young person to another way of "thinking" as an older person who has travelled through being poor and very unrealistic to being financially secure. And like most people, after weathering many serious storms including cancer and death of people I love and observing heartbreak and awful things that happened to friends. I am a realist now and I try very hard to see things as they ARE and not some unrealistic dream that can never be real life, no matter how we want it to be. I ask many questions as to WHY some survive and prosper and some do not. I know that we are not all born equal. AND we cannot legislate morality. If we ban guns, the bad guys will still have guns. If we give people what others work hard for there will be resentment at the very least. We do not do enough for the truly disabled and there are scams out there to the hopeful including college for folks who are learning disabled and not really capable to going to college. We all wish for dreams that will not and cannot be realized. WE MUST SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE.

[Pbthrockm@msn.com]

What most police departments do not employee Black police officers? Absolutely false statement. They employ anyone who applies and meets the job requirements and completes the training academy. You need to do some investigating work before you make such a inappropriate statement.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Statistics to support an opinion? Pretty sure I don't need any. I was under the assumption that the "issues" were not "white cops shooting - exclusively - black people."

It's based on what I thought. So - 100% of all people who use the handle OrangeBlossomBaby on websites dedicated to Talk of the Villages - agree.

There's your statistic.

you make a good point. i though this whole mess was over methods of restraint used by police, and what kind of force is required to subdue a suspect. it's upsetting to know these items have been overlooked to be focused instead on race. it's not about the police anymore, not even about george floyd. this has been turned into an issue intended to divide groups, when unity is what's needed to remedy the situation.

[merrymini]

Originally Posted by LoisR

As the author so states: "The report is attempting to "predict" shooting scenarios." Please raise your hands high, and you might as well assume the position, if you've ever read of a police shooting involving a black officer and a black "suspect."
Since most police departments don't even employ minority officers, and the few that do have only a minimal staffing, how accurate is the report?

Who says that “most” police department do not employ black officers? I guess some real facts here would do to substantiate That comment.

[kendi]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They do matter. And until everyone is on board with that fact, "all" lives will not yet matter.

That makes no sense.

[Holpat39]

When stopped and questioned by a police office just follow instructions. Don't mouth off, don't flee, don't do anything that would give cause to being stopped. I am 80 years old and have never been stopped by the police, oops, except for a right turn on red many years ago. So, follow the law and you won't have any interaction with police.