[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In the book' "Brave New World" there are alphas and betas and etc. I think that gifted classes are the right thing to do - with a caveat that it COULD? be pushed too far, like human breeding or even too much wealth disparity. To prevent a Brave New World, you need to have a real middle class (now disappearing) without enormous wealth disparity and you need free or affordable college. More people should have a somewhat equal shot at getting in those GIFTED CLASSES.
Where do you go, when you've gone too far? ......I think that was a song?

Referencing book, you’re kidding right?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ribil

That’s why people don’t pet alligators. They pretty much know they are in danger of getting hurt. Too many police men and women have been hurt or killed reacting to a particular type of suspect. Is that profiling? You betcha.

No, it’s law of average.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Seriously? When we landed in Paris before 911 there were armed guards everywhere with scary looking weapons. They don’t put up with anything.

Better for the guns to be in the hands of calm, trained, and mentally tested uniformed Police or soldiers that are put there by an ELECTED government - than hidden in the hands of civilian attired, gang-affiliated, mentally unstable anarchists and Fascists. Whose guns, I have to add, are in ample supply because of some unnamed rifle group that supports the marketing and sales of high margin, high capacity semi-auto rifles that were converted by bump stocks and killed 59 and wounded 419 innocent citizens in Las Vegas in 2017. Is the OK with anyone? Anyone?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Better for the guns to be in the hands of calm, trained, and mentally tested uniformed Police or soldiers that are put there by an ELECTED government - than hidden in the hands of civilian attired, gang-affiliated, mentally unstable anarchists and Fascists. Whose guns, I have to add, are in ample supply because of some unnamed rifle group that supports the marketing and sales of high margin, high capacity semi-auto rifles that were converted by bump stocks and killed 59 and wounded 419 innocent citizens in Las Vegas in 2017. Is the OK with anyone? Anyone?

So are they trained, and mentally tested police and soldiers only if they live in Europe? Because it seems the ones in the US are being persecuted.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

So are they trained, and mentally tested police and soldiers only if they live in Europe? Because it seems the ones in the US are being persecuted.

US rookie Police get about 1/10 the training of European Police. That's why we have so many rogue ones slip through. But, it may be because cities and states do not have enough $ for training in their budgets.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US needs to look to Europe for solutions. They avoid "coyboy mentality".

One needs to define what they have in mind when using "cowboy mentality". I suspect the real cowboy mentality is not what was intended....clarification needed.

[Luisa]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Too bad there was no police presence in Portland Sunday night.
GRAPHIC VIOLENCE! Antifa/BLM! Young man violently assaulted in Portland by radical militants - YouTube

Black men kicking a white man in the head when he was already barely conscious. Despicable! Where is the social justice? If BLM and their supporters were of good moral character and not the real racist, they would have protests equal to Floyd’s. Did mainstream media even report this. Disgusting hypocrisy!

[Luisa]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Minneapolis has a POLICE problem. They have an inflexible, fascist Police Union leader that protects rogue officers. I believe in most unions, but this one, in particular, is real bad. So, they HAVE to try something? The city is forced to. I would suggest volunteer college students ride along in the cruisers as observers to try to prevent or document Police overreach. The Colleges are often closed, so that would be something positive that students could do with their extra time and get experience. Trying something new when there is a problem is basic to problem solving.
Minneapolis Police Unions have gone too far. Where DO you go when you've gone too far?

I don’t recall hearing about any particular problems in Minneapolis. I was under the impression it was a nice city. I have heard a lot of bad reports about crime in Chicago and Baltimore.

[Luisa]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

US rookie Police get about 1/10 the training of European Police. That's why we have so many rogue ones slip through. But, it may be because cities and states do not have enough $ for training in their budgets.

Rogue police are rare!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

All this talk, all I know is a handcuffed man, on the ground, posing no threat, was kneeled on and murder. Now you can quote all the studies you read on the internet (we know how true they are) but the fact remains, a black man was murdered while in handcuffs by a white officer.

Another video shows how that "black man" was professionally arrested and placed into the patrol car and the two officers then attempted to handle the other two subjects. While they were distracted, Floyd escaped from the patrol vehicle before he was apprehended again. He was placed on the ground in order to regain control of him and held down by the officer's knee. This is common practice, however the placement of the knee may have been done improperly. Whether he died as a result of the knee placement of the drugs and his medical condition will be revealed in court.
Just because one does not approve of law enforcement work, does not give one a reason to assume that all cops are bad or that every "black man" is unjustly apprehended or abused. There is always two sides to every incident, and if I am on the jury, I will always take the officer's side until proven that he handled the incident ILLEGALLY. It is up to the prosecutor, not media to prove malicious intent.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In practice OPPORTUNITY is NOT 100% or equal for everybody in the US. In fact, the US is behind the UK in UPWARD MOBILITY (I seem to remember we are abut 20th and the UK is 11th. In fact we are behind Estonia). And "pride or laziness" is an oversimplification. Education is not equal. Health is not equal. If Blacks or anyone has LESS heath than the average WHITE, then certainly that BLACK will appear to be "lazy". It takes some sensitive empathy to remember the historic affects of Jim Crow laws and restricted voting (which is going on today) and other Historic degradation to ambition and self esteem that the Black race was forced to endure. And do I feel guilty ---- Yes, somewhat. And even more about treatment of Native Americans!

Sounds like excuses to me. Time to quit making excuses for bad behavior and poor work ethics. It's easy for folks to make excuses for those that are just plain lazy when they do not have to deal with the results. I've worked with folks that could not be terminated. All lazy does is make more work for others. Then the lazy complain about not getting equal treatment. I do not believe in blatant equality. I believe in opportunity based on ability and motivation, coupled with good work ethics. I do not believe in FREE college and I do not believe in welfare boosting anyone to the middle class lifestyle. Welfare should only be sufficient to maintain life, not lifestyle.

[ruralgoddess]

exactly

[ruralgoddess]

exactly wjo is this they you identify as the troublemakers?

[hipplepi]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

the group of persons who are committing the most crime
will have the most interactions with Police!

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Sounds like excuses to me. Time to quit making excuses for bad behavior and poor work ethics. It's easy for folks to make excuses for those that are just plain lazy when they do not have to deal with the results. I've worked with folks that could not be terminated. All lazy does is make more work for others. Then the lazy complain about not getting equal treatment. I do not believe in blatant equality. I believe in opportunity based on ability and motivation, coupled with good work ethics. I do not believe in FREE college and I do not believe in welfare boosting anyone to the middle class lifestyle. Welfare should only be sufficient to maintain life, not lifestyle.

Well said. Wait until we give free everything if you can just cross the country line.