[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Originally Posted by greenflash245 :

the cops do target blacks, whether the cop is black or white or pink or blue. don't kid yourself.
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Study after study shows that blacks are unfairly targeted in police traffic stops, yet it is a recurring conservative theme to refute these studies. The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) has figures available on public interaction with police which support this fact.An August 2019 study published by the National Academy of Sciences based on police-shooting databases found that between 2013 and 2018, black men were about 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police, and that black men have a 1-in-1,000 chance of dying at the hands of police. Black women were 1.4 more times likely to be killed than white women. Latino men were 1.3 to 1.4 times more likely to be killed than white men. Latino women were between 12 percent and 23 percent less likely to be killed than white women.A 2019 study of 11,000 police stops over about four weeks in the District of Columbia found that while black people make up 46 percent of the city’s population, they accounted for 70 percent of police stops, and 86 percent of stops that didn’t involve traffic enforcement.A 2019 study of police stops in Cincinnati found that black motorists were 30 percent more likely to be pulled over than white motorists. ....and the list goes on and on. So Greenflash was correct. Don't kid yourself.

Pretty definitive post. It would be hard to refute. Thank you for making that available. Hope it is widely read.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In the book' "Brave New World" there are alphas and betas and etc. I think that gifted classes are the right thing to do - with a caveat that it COULD? be pushed too far, like human breeding or even too much wealth disparity. To prevent a Brave New World, you need to have a real middle class (now disappearing) without enormous wealth disparity and you need free or affordable college. More people should have a somewhat equal shot at getting in those GIFTED CLASSES.
Where do you go, when you've gone too far? ......I think that was a song?

The point I was trying to make is that intelligence is fixed. You are born with the same number you die with. Unless you have brain damage. What you learn with the I.Q. that you have been given gives you tools. BUT 100 is average for humans. There are many born and will die with lower and higher I.Q. but that does not mean success or failure in life absolutely. There are many tales of the Valedictorians in large high school classes who do not score success by many standards. If you watch Jeopardy you will see a lot of folks who seem to be permanent students and cab drivers. And the opposite is true. Many people born with handicapping low intelligence are able to find employment and are able to earn a living as our daughter did working at McDonalds. A living that was aided by us with love.

I only say this because knowing how a person scores in many areas is an aid to people who are trying to help bring them to their fullest potential and guard against some of the not successful behaviors that often are connected to being a nerd. Bet you haven't heard that often but believe me, it is true. And we do not have to look far or wait long to see examples of it. Many people with I.Q.s that are very high often have difficulty with socialization and appropriate behavior. If you are a math brain does not guarantee you will have good spatial ability. etc. etc.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by canyonblue

Which would require TRAINING. Which would require funding. Anyone naive enough to believe this defund movement is anything other than a power grab is delusional. Medical errors kill from 44000 to 98000 Americans each year. I have a great idea, lets DEFUND Doctors and Nurses. Unbelievable Americans are this stupid, no wait, it's not.

Minneapolis has a POLICE problem. They have an inflexible, fascist Police Union leader that protects rogue officers. I believe in most unions, but this one, in particular, is real bad. So, they HAVE to try something? The city is forced to. I would suggest volunteer college students ride along in the cruisers as observers to try to prevent or document Police overreach. The Colleges are often closed, so that would be something positive that students could do with their extra time and get experience. Trying something new when there is a problem is basic to problem solving.
Minneapolis Police Unions have gone too far. Where DO you go when you've gone too far?

[Doctorcrime]

Blacks are 14% 0f the population...yet they are 50% on death row. Look BCJS..Bureau of Criminal Justice Statistics...

All these shootings being reported...Black on Black crime.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Pretty definitive post. It would be hard to refute. Thank you for making that available. Hope it is widely read.

But the study about black motorists being unfairly targeted WAS refuted and changed by the authors. Here are five links to that happening. I posted this earlier on this thread;.

national acadamy of sciences. study on police shootings by race - Bing

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by skarra

Therein lies the problem. We treat unskilled people like they don’t deserve to be paid a livable wage.

Poverty leads to crime, and so rich folk (typically white, but mainly because they have enjoyed generations of privilege) have to resort to extreme policing to keep the poor underclass under control.

Up the minimum wage to a livable wage and that will go a long way to helping the situation. And do a better job of weeding out the bad cops - we see far too many on video these days.

At minimum, you proposed a solution - more than most posts which just complain about things as they are or they see them. There needs to be many more solutions. Increasing wealth disparity is the wrong direction. There was less wealth disparity in the 50s and 60s. There were more Unions then, remember back then? Germany has MANY Unions today and management likes them. It stabilizes their country. Ours is becoming less stable. Somehow in the US, unions have taken on a BAD image because of anti-union propaganda, especially in the south. There have been some union corruption in the past, but it can work! Germany proves it. Mercedes Benz proves it. There are MANY more solutions to this problem - which has been ignored / "swept under the rug" for maybe 80 years. It has come to a head today.
Maybe the complaining is slightly positive because it shows some small amount of awareness of the problem?

[wamley]

Your getting plenty of examples of what happens when you dismantle the police because that is what is being done in many cities throughout the country. When they are not supported by not only the community, but the elected Officials, the Police Chiefs, the media and finally the DA's and the courts. You will see the stats in all crime areas go up quickly making life miserable for the populous. Look at the exodus from NYC as a good example.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Oh Pshaw.

Dad had seven siblings. Grams was one of nine. Not a single soul among them all and their offsprings and wives and sisters and cousins and aunts were arrested and have a record. No one needed to hire a decent or indecent lawyer. Had some speeders but no folks arrested.

I have lived on this earth for 80 years. We have dozens and dozens of family. Some are not the epitome of wonderful but they managed to avoid getting arrested, losing their job because of being arrested and worrying about a lawyer. I think that The Villages is full of people who have a similar experience.

DO NOT BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR ENFORCING THE LAW.

And if you aren't going to speak kindly about them don't call them cops. We know what you really say.

Pshaw back to you - a ricochet Pshaw. A person's life story and family may be wonderful and honerable - but, it did NOTHING to refute the facts and logic of the other post that was referenced. I still agree with the other post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

In that case, I am glad he failed. I do not feel that the gov should be involved in manipulating racial demographics in communities. Integration is not the same as assimilation. Concentrate on assimilation and integration will happen on it's own and more naturally.

I take that point as reasonable and thoughtful. I still prefer MY opinion that neighborhoods / ghettos are an unsolved problem. Some say that government is the problem. I prefer that they build the roads we travel on rather than toll roads. I prefer speed bumps to children and older folks being run over by cars racing through parking lots. I prefer that government exists somewhere in the middle between anarchy and Fascism. Neither would be wonderful.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Why mandate a "minimum" wage at all? Why should the Fed Gov interfere with private business? If you do not feel you are getting paid what you believe you deserve to be paid, then quit and get a different job. There are plenty of jobs in this country and NO excuse for anyone not having one that wishes to work. If you do not get paid enough to pay the bills, then take on a second or third job. I have worked three jobs at once to support my family. Seems like it is pride or laziness that keeps folks from being able to support their families, not opportunity.

In practice OPPORTUNITY is NOT 100% or equal for everybody in the US. In fact, the US is behind the UK in UPWARD MOBILITY (I seem to remember we are abut 20th and the UK is 11th. In fact we are behind Estonia). And "pride or laziness" is an oversimplification. Education is not equal. Health is not equal. If Blacks or anyone has LESS heath than the average WHITE, then certainly that BLACK will appear to be "lazy". It takes some sensitive empathy to remember the historic affects of Jim Crow laws and restricted voting (which is going on today) and other Historic degradation to ambition and self esteem that the Black race was forced to endure. And do I feel guilty ---- Yes, somewhat. And even more about treatment of Native Americans!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

To what post are you reacting? The Villages is thought of as a huge majority of stable and decent people with the best credit rating in this country. That is just a tiny glimpse into who they are. They are careful with their thoughts and their money and their votes. A white supremacist to ME is a KKK member. A white person is a white person and racism was more prevalent in some areas long ago and has been dying, dying, dying, as people live and grow. Most people who live in The Villages are KIND and RESPONSIBLE and NOT RACIST and vote a certain way and I am so mad right now I feel like kicking the tires of the next air stream camper I see.

Your view and statements are correct as to the majority of the Village people. The other post is a view of a small slice of the people. It is not incorrect. I personally know some very stubborn people who believe in white superiority. I agree that they are wrong. Reputations of places like the Villages and others are often made by the most radical, lowest common denominator.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The point I was trying to make is that intelligence is fixed. You are born with the same number you die with. Unless you have brain damage. What you learn with the I.Q. that you have been given gives you tools. BUT 100 is average for humans. There are many born and will die with lower and higher I.Q. but that does not mean success or failure in life absolutely. There are many tales of the Valedictorians in large high school classes who do not score success by many standards. If you watch Jeopardy you will see a lot of folks who seem to be permanent students and cab drivers. And the opposite is true. Many people born with handicapping low intelligence are able to find employment and are able to earn a living as our daughter did working at McDonalds. A living that was aided by us with love.

I only say this because knowing how a person scores in many areas is an aid to people who are trying to help bring them to their fullest potential and guard against some of the not successful behaviors that often are connected to being a nerd. Bet you haven't heard that often but believe me, it is true. And we do not have to look far or wait long to see examples of it. Many people with I.Q.s that are very high often have difficulty with socialization and appropriate behavior. If you are a math brain does not guarantee you will have good spatial ability. etc. etc.

Much of what was said is TRUE. IQ is a measure that can help educators and school advisors give good guidance to students. To be more PRECISE, an IQ test is REALLY a achievement test. There IS some malleability! I would have to quote many gifted studies to prove that. And some small amount of scholars believe that it is fixed at birth.
Then there is the whole nature or nurture question that has been argued over for probably a century. Too deep and worthless to go into.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by wamley

Your getting plenty of examples of what happens when you dismantle the police because that is what is being done in many cities throughout the country. When they are not supported by not only the community, but the elected Officials, the Police Chiefs, the media and finally the DA's and the courts. You will see the stats in all crime areas go up quickly making life miserable for the populous. Look at the exodus from NYC as a good example.

The US needs to look to Europe for solutions. They avoid "coyboy mentality".

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US needs to look to Europe for solutions. They avoid "coyboy mentality".

Seriously? When we landed in Paris before 911 there were armed guards everywhere with scary looking weapons. They don’t put up with anything.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Nusch

Unfortunately only about 14% of America is black and a vast majority of urban crime in committed by African Americans. Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Detroit and NewYork are currently being vacated by those who can.leave.

Might want to add Kansas City, St. Louis, Orlando, Atlanta, Jacksonville, and about 100 more to list?