[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

"The World Changed Its Approach to Health After the 1918 Flu. Will It After The COVID-19 Outbreak?"

The World Changed Its Approach to Health After the 1918 Flu | Time

"A science journalist explains how the Spanish flu changed the world"

COVID-19: How did Spanish flu change the world? | World Economic Forum

Again, you miss the point. The OP was referring to changes in ALL of our normal lifestyles, NOT health care. He thinks restaurants will disappear, no one will work in an office, etc. You are certainly old enough to know that when we were growing up, we were taught common sense about hand washing, covering your mouth when you sneeze, etc. Those were perhaps changes from 1918, BUT, society continued.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tblue

I have seen those videos and that show how the droplets are spread with no mask and with a mask, all very good. However look at the science, the COVID flu that is not attached to droplets is way to tiny to be seen in those videos. We are talking about something so small it can only be seen with an electron microscope so I am told, sorry You Tube videos is just not it. Again I am not anti mask, just anti believing a mask will protect you.

Really? I'm not aware that the virus can be transmitted when not encased in either droplets or aerosols. How can the virus be expelled from someone's respiratory system without being encased in droplets? Do you have a link that says this is feasible?

Universal masking is what will protect us. When a person who is wearing a mask interacts with another person who is wearing a mask, these people protect each other.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Sweden, where a shutdown-free pandemic response prompted a global debate, is seeing another wave of covid-19 cases, with the country’s state epidemiologist warning this week that it was heading in the “wrong direction” as winter approaches.

Sweden’s public health body recorded 554 new covid-19 cases Thursday — the highest since early July — and 417 on Friday, according to its online tracking tool, capping off what epidemiologist Anders Tegnell had warned would be a “record week” for new cases.
“It is slowly but surely going in the wrong direction in Sweden, even if the situation is not as serious as in other parts of Europe,” Tegnell said at a news briefing Thursday, according to the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...own-new-cases/

Look at the actual numbers, they haven’t had more than 5 Covid deaths on any day over the last two months with most days fewer than 3...

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The 1918 Flu was a factor that caused the Depression, which caused great US migration of unemployed workers. It caused the rich people to buy up bankrupt businesses and mortgages. Leaving the lower classes to only rent homes and apartments and thus NOT build up wealth. So, great wealth disparity.

The same is true and will be true with this current Pandemic!

I assume you never studied history. The depression?? It started over 11 years AFTER 1918 and there were many causes such as wrong moves by the Federal Reserve and the Congress which exacerbated what should have been, at best, a recession.Government decisions made after 1932 continued to prolong it. It took WW2 to finally end it.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

I assume you never studied history. The depression?? It started over 11 years AFTER 1918 and there were many causes such as wrong moves by the Federal Reserve and the Congress which exacerbated what should have been, at best, a recession.Government decisions made after 1932 continued to prolong it. It took WW2 to finally end it.

Agreed those are the causes of the great depression which started 11 years after the end of the first world war.

The Presidents during this period were instrumental in making it worse than it should have been.

[aviator]

Originally Posted by mr kibbles

100% seating in restaurants way too soon and we will see results here in the villages in 2 to three weeks --- hopefully there is no spike of the virus here -- unfortunately europe has seen a huge increase after they reopened their restaurants and bars - it is too bad that it is an election year since our higher ups think reopening everything will make them look better --- will continue to eat and cook great meals at home - having alot of fun trying new receipts - wife and i take turns cooking -- and as several of our totv posters have said if you don't like it stay home -- so shall we

As I have in the past been called to the defense of the United States of America. I will honor, respect and defend your rights to choose. If your choice is to stay home to defend yourself, I will respect that. If anybody should come to your home and try and force you to go to a restaurant or to the squares, you just call me and I will come and defend your right to stay home. Freedom shall prevail.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Nothing is being taken away from you. Restaurants are run by capitalists .. people who put up their own money to provide a service for a targeted market: those people who enjoy the restaurants food, surroundings and ambience. Prior to COVID, it was still a business with a very high failure rate. Over the past six months, it became even more perilous. They need a certain capacity to remain in business. If ten people decide to patronize the restaurant, and you decide you no longer like the surroundings and ambience, they may find they don;t miss you, and perhaps they can still survive, and hopefully thrive. THEY dont owe you anything. The governor is removing restrictions so the economy can pick up and run, and stop the hand-outs. If you have an idea for a restaurant that has a large footprint of mostly empty space that insures patrons stay far away from each other and follows whatever rules you deem to insure health and safety, knock yourself out and put up your own money. It is a FREE country after all .. but you have no right to put a business persons welfare at risk by dictating what kind of people patronize their facility, or what rules they should follow.

This is the reason I will not support any restaurant which does not maintain social distancing with their tables and booths set ups. They won't miss hubby and me and our health comes first.

[Buckeye Bleau]

Originally Posted by DanBrew

It is just so simple if you are unhealthy and at risk, stay home. If not, stop living in fear. The CDC has revealed that 94% of reported deaths were not solely due to the deadly virus. No one wants to be sick, but understand that viruses have existed in our ecosystem since the beginning of time. Use good hygiene and some common sense and try to get beyond this apocolyptic fear driven mentality.

VERY well said. Thank you for the explanation to those that unfortunately have been subjected to far too much incorrect information.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

VERY well said. Thank you for the explanation to those that unfortunately have been subjected to far too much incorrect information.

Buckeye here too, but not blue. RED. I am a firm believer of the free market. I am a supporter of capitalism. I consider myself a supporter of traditional medicine, not a holistic girl. I worry about our economy. I agree that if people want to risk dining out, then that is their choice.

However, I am of the belief that the mere fact that a person is 70 or older makes them at higher risk. I doubt few of the age who predominantly live in The Villages, do not have elevated blood pressure or edgy chlorestorol, or perfect heart rhythms or do not have the natural, normal slope in health that comes with age. In other words, if you take any prescribed medication, or refuse to take any prescribed medication that means you have an elevated risk....even if it works.

Plus a lot of sane people are not terrified. They are choosing not to go to restaurants and feel bad and guilty that they are not supporting the economy. Free enterprise to me is a good thing. Living another ten years is however an important goal of mine.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Nothing is being taken away from you. Restaurants are run by capitalists .. people who put up their own money to provide a service for a targeted market: those people who enjoy the restaurants food, surroundings and ambience. Prior to COVID, it was still a business with a very high failure rate. Over the past six months, it became even more perilous. They need a certain capacity to remain in business. If ten people decide to patronize the restaurant, and you decide you no longer like the surroundings and ambience, they may find they don;t miss you, and perhaps they can still survive, and hopefully thrive. THEY dont owe you anything. The governor is removing restrictions so the economy can pick up and run, and stop the hand-outs. If you have an idea for a restaurant that has a large footprint of mostly empty space that insures patrons stay far away from each other and follows whatever rules you deem to insure health and safety, knock yourself out and put up your own money. It is a FREE country after all .. but you have no right to put a business persons welfare at risk by dictating what kind of people patronize their facility, or what rules they should follow.

The problem to me is someone comes to a restaurant, sits too close to someone who unknowing has the virus and it comes to a new person who in turns infects others.

[Tblue]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Really? I'm not aware that the virus can be transmitted when not encased in either droplets or aerosols. How can the virus be expelled from someone's respiratory system without being encased in droplets? Do you have a link that says this is feasible?

Universal masking is what will protect us. When a person who is wearing a mask interacts with another person who is wearing a mask, these people protect each other.

Wonderful, so what happens to the virus when the droplets drys, does it immediately disappear? Look at the WHO, I hate to use them as a reference but they do admit the virus can exist outside of droplets, how much is questionable. Nowhere I have found how much exists outside of water droplets. But back to the You Tube videos that show how masks reduce the spread of moisture in a sneeze, yes it does slow or stop the spread of moisture, a very good thing, however how much virus is outside the moisture droplets? Please wear a mask if you must, I do not believe a mask is protecting the wearer of the mask when taking into account all the practical things the average person does a with mask. When you sneeze in a mask droplets go everywhere unless a proper 100% fit, who does that? They are fiddled with, reused over and over, all touched usually with un gloved hands maybe helping to spread the virus. So any good done by stopping some of the virus in droplets in a mask is un-done in how the average person handles a reused mask or a new mask without a proper fit and the constant fiddling with the mask and eventual disposal of a contaminated mask. We seem to agree a vaccine will be a big step to being normal again. Again I am not an anti masker.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

VERY well said. Thank you for the explanation to those that unfortunately have been subjected to far too much incorrect information.

Another misuse of a quoted statistic. But hey, if it works for you

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Look at the actual numbers, they haven’t had more than 5 Covid deaths on any day over the last two months with most days fewer than 3...

Probably because most oldies in care were killed off first time around!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tblue

I have seen those videos and that show how the droplets are spread with no mask and with a mask, all very good. However look at the science, the COVID flu that is not attached to droplets is way to tiny to be seen in those videos. We are talking about something so small it can only be seen with an electron microscope so I am told, sorry You Tube videos is just not it. Again I am not anti mask, just anti believing a mask will protect you.

That is passive / aggressive on mask-wearing. This period of US leading the world in DEATH is NO time to lack conviction. Phase 3 increases social contact. Is that good or bad? It has been proven BAD by the experience of Spain and New Jersey. Masks have been proven GOOD by Japan, S.Korea, Australia, and New Zealand. The average person in the US and TV Land has been lied to and misguided by special interest groups, select Television, Russian hackers and bots, leaders with large microphones - in order to TRY to have life in the US APPEAR to be NORMAL in spite of The CV Plague. You KNOW deep down that NOTHING is now NORMAL.

The only prudent course of action is to FIGHT the pressure of things like Phase 3 - the forced attempt to create an ARTIFICIAL normal, which is designed for Wall St and not for Main ST in TV land. Mothers should not send their children to school. The average person should AVOID all indoor crowded groups and be very careful and wary of outdoor group gatherings. You would be helping yourself and your neighbor.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Really? I'm not aware that the virus can be transmitted when not encased in either droplets or aerosols. How can the virus be expelled from someone's respiratory system without being encased in droplets? Do you have a link that says this is feasible?

Universal masking is what will protect us. When a person who is wearing a mask interacts with another person who is wearing a mask, these people protect each other.

That is correct.