[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

I assume you never studied history. The depression?? It started over 11 years AFTER 1918 and there were many causes such as wrong moves by the Federal Reserve and the Congress which exacerbated what should have been, at best, a recession.Government decisions made after 1932 continued to prolong it. It took WW2 to finally end it.

It was ONE of the factors causing the depression. It takes more than 11 years to FULLY recover from a pandemic. I stand by my statement.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The 1918 Plague set US progress back somewhat for 4 years, which could (?) have an affect on us today. Progress is built on past progress. People STILL talk about the DARK AGES. The 4 years of 1918 Plague could be like a "gray age" in the US. I am NOT the only person in the US that thinks that we will have a pre CV history and a post CV history. These people are imminent historians.

We will definitely have a post covid history as the Chinese Communists will continue to develop viruses and we must prepare for another lab accident.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I stand by my statement.

With not an ounce of fact to support it.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

Nothing is being taken away from you. Restaurants are run by capitalists .. people who put up their own money to provide a service for a targeted market: those people who enjoy the restaurants food, surroundings and ambience. Prior to COVID, it was still a business with a very high failure rate. Over the past six months, it became even more perilous. They need a certain capacity to remain in business. If ten people decide to patronize the restaurant, and you decide you no longer like the surroundings and ambience, they may find they don;t miss you, and perhaps they can still survive, and hopefully thrive. THEY dont owe you anything. The governor is removing restrictions so the economy can pick up and run, and stop the hand-outs. If you have an idea for a restaurant that has a large footprint of mostly empty space that insures patrons stay far away from each other and follows whatever rules you deem to insure health and safety, knock yourself out and put up your own money. It is a FREE country after all .. but you have no right to put a business persons welfare at risk by dictating what kind of people patronize their facility, or what rules they should follow.

The CV Plague is the leading factor. Entrepreneurs will be forced to change. Society will be unstable for awhile, restaurants included.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The CV Plague is the leading factor. Entrepreneurs will be forced to change. Society will be unstable for awhile, restaurants included.

It is another problem without any solution at this time. Much like global warming.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

The problem to me is someone comes to a restaurant, sits too close to someone who unknowing has the virus and it comes to a new person who in turns infects others.

I don't see what the difference is between now and during the Flu season. If you are older and have health issues, you are just as prone to die from the flu as you are from COVID, give or take. The point is that we cannot live in fear. We all take chances to some degree. I know that as you get older, one tends to be more careful, hoping to prolong the expiration date as much as possible. Human nature. But, businesses cannot function by staying closed, and people do not get paid. If you are not paid then you can't eat or pay for shelter. We are blessed because we have a more or less stable income when retired. Others are not so fortunate.
The other point is that NO one is forcing anyone to frequent businesses. We live in a free society and everyone has to choice to stay home and stay safe. But, is living safe really living?
CDC says 99.4% is the recovery rate. There are far more illnesses with a higher mortality rate.
I respect anyone that wishes to stay home. Please do, because I hated the lines when the snowbirds were here.
Besides, walking past someone that has the virus and no mask will not get you infected. The Surgeon General said you would have to both be maskless and stand there (close) and chat for an extended period to make you threatened by infection from someone that is infected. The chances of you standing near someone maskless and also infected is so slim that you stand an easier chance of getting hit by lightening.
I am a firm believer in the individual's right to wear a mask and I respect their concern and safety measure. But, don't presume to be an expert on what I NEED to do with my life in order to make you safe.
I wear a mask when I go shopping, since there are signs requiring me to. I am not concerned about anyone around me being infected. I do not even believe that I would catch it if someone in the store had the virus and did not wear a mask. If that makes me a fool, well I have lived 70 years all over the world where there were some very exotic diseases and am still able to do the things I did when I was 50yo. Maybe not as fast....

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

The problem to me is someone comes to a restaurant, sits too close to someone who unknowing has the virus and it comes to a new person who in turns infects others.

That's stretching it pretty far and deep.

You are supposing that someone HAS the virus and that they are sitting near you. Then you are supposing that you "unknowingly" have it and pass it on to someone else. Lots of IF, if, if, and maybes there. Better chance that you are sitting near a window and an old person hits the gas instead of the brake when parking and runs through the wall and kills someone.
But, like I said before don't take chances, stay home. I like it when I don't have to wait for a table. I figure I am taking a chance with my life every time I allow someone else to cook for me.

[JoMar]

Assuming that those that need to stay home and their lack of spending won't hurt the businesses. Of course that also assumes that those don't care will be out in enough numbers to make up the difference....we will see.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It was ONE of the factors causing the depression. It takes more than 11 years to FULLY recover from a pandemic. I stand by my statement.

????????. You were pontificating on the depression being caused by the 1918 flu. The recovery after 1918 was fully done by 1922.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not debunked at all, but if you had read a bit you would have found that does not make it more dangerous and gee......you still could have made your P point.

"Scientists in Houston on Wednesday released a study of more than 5,000 genetic sequences of the coronavirus that reveals the virus’s continual accumulation of mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious.

The new report, however, did not find that these mutations have made the virus deadlier or changed clinical outcomes. All viruses accumulate genetic mutations, and most are insignificant, scientists say."



The study printed in FORBES did find it to be more dangerous, but they are all studies.

Coronavirus May Have Mutated To Become More Contagious, Study Finds



Point is IT HAS MUTATED and without your supplying some link to where it was debunked.....well....

The OP was posting that people were getting REINFECTED, which has not happened.

Yes, the virus has mutated as they typically do. It now appears to be less deadly but more contagious.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is passive / aggressive on mask-wearing. This period of US leading the world in DEATH is NO time to lack conviction. Phase 3 increases social contact. Is that good or bad? It has been proven BAD by the experience of Spain and New Jersey. Masks have been proven GOOD by Japan, S.Korea, Australia, and New Zealand. The average person in the US and TV Land has been lied to and misguided by special interest groups, select Television, Russian hackers and bots, leaders with large microphones - in order to TRY to have life in the US APPEAR to be NORMAL in spite of The CV Plague. You KNOW deep down that NOTHING is now NORMAL.

The only prudent course of action is to FIGHT the pressure of things like Phase 3 - the forced attempt to create an ARTIFICIAL normal, which is designed for Wall St and not for Main ST in TV land. Mothers should not send their children to school. The average person should AVOID all indoor crowded groups and be very careful and wary of outdoor group gatherings. You would be helping yourself and your neighbor.

I'm curious. Where did you earn your medical degree?

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

In Sweden they had no lockdown and are not having a resurgence.

They had the highest death rate ( 5500 people ) in Scandinavia then they learned how to do social distancing.

[Tblue]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Really? I'm not aware that the virus can be transmitted when not encased in either droplets or aerosols. How can the virus be expelled from someone's respiratory system without being encased in droplets? Do you have a link that says this is feasible?

Universal masking is what will protect us. When a person who is wearing a mask interacts with another person who is wearing a mask, these people protect each other.

Here a couple of links to say masks are useless and some science to back it up. My contention from the beginning is improper mask wearing may help spread this virus, reuse of the masks, improper fit of a mask, wearing it below the nose, fiddling with the mask, improper disposal of a mask, just leaving a contaminated mask lying around. All things people do that could aid with the spread of this disease. In the facebook article you will see this paragraph near the end. "The public is being told to wear masks for which they have not been trained in the proper techniques. As a result, they are mishandling, frequently touching, and constantly reusing masks in a way that increase contamination and we are more likely than not to increase transmission of the disease" This about sums up my position on masks.
Tim Watt | Facebook Also try https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BFO1658736

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Well, I believe masks arent required anymore so if you arent going to places where people dont wear masks, I guess youll be vegetating at home for life

The "requirement" of masks in Florida has been EXCLUSIVELY up to the business owner. Masks were not required in public, and businesses had, and still has, the right to mandate who can and cannot enter their building.

Most businesses that required masks, still require masks, from what I've seen so far. Now, maybe they have no way of enforcing that requirement, but they can still have the sign on their door saying "Masks required."

If you have any respect for the business, you'll wear the mask in their building if they require it, EVEN if they can't enforce it. If you don't have any respect for it, then ask yourself why you're going there at all.

[Tblue]

Originally Posted by Tblue

Here a couple of links to say masks are useless and some science to back it up. My contention from the beginning is improper mask wearing may help spread this virus, reuse of the masks, improper fit of a mask, wearing it below the nose, fiddling with the mask, improper disposal of a mask, just leaving a contaminated mask lying around. All things people do that could aid with the spread of this disease. In the facebook article you will see this paragraph near the end. "The public is being told to wear masks for which they have not been trained in the proper techniques. As a result, they are mishandling, frequently touching, and constantly reusing masks in a way that increase contamination and we are more likely than not to increase transmission of the disease" This about sums up my position on masks.
Tim Watt | Facebook Also try https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BFO1658736

Sorry one of the links was dropped her it is.
Tim Watt | Facebook