[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, I've been retired 6 years so I am not actively treating COVID patients in an inpatient setting. I do however still talk with colleagues that are still in practice and have a reasonable understanding of medicine.

I think the answer to your question is multifactorial:

First, even a year ago, I think the media hype over mechanical ventilation was more than the number of respirators that were actually used----NY is a good example.

Next, the treatment remains largely supportive----fluids, mechanical ventilation if needed, standard antivirals and the usual antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections.

And some of these patients have been vaccinated so they probably do better because of that.

But probably the biggest reason for better survival is that providers have gained more experience treating these cases---almost all diseases do better as experience treating them is gained.

Did not mean to hijack the thread but I was wondering what medications were being used now, antibiotics or what? I had read that the patients hospitalized were non-vaxxed so the survivors must have been receiving updated, improved treatment.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rlcooper70

Well ... the governor says that we have 'freedom' to choose in Florida ... I guess he's right on that. Why would someone choose to avoid getting the vaccine at this point? I don't get it.

And students in schools in most Florida counties have the option of mask or no mask. So, likely, the parents that do NOT believe in vaccines or masks will send THEIR children to school. And the parents that would PREFER a mask mandate are basically screwed. Currently, many parents are NOT going back to their jobs nationwide and particularly in Florida because they might BE FORCED to home-school their children. IMO this is a terrible hardship of decision and confusion to FORCE on young parents ( who are the future of this state and the US).

Of course, one solution to this problem would be to have separate schools - one for the maskless unvaccinated and another for masked and vaccinated children. Also, of course, very few Floridian taxpayers are going to agree to have their property taxed DOUBLED to pay for dual-track schools. And even if possible, it IS too late to put it in place for this school year.

So, back to parents being "used and abused" particularly in Florida......many will be paying taxes for schools and receiving NO benefits while home-schooling children. This will have the long-term result of "dumbing down" US future society. I personally, do NOT believe that this is some conspiracy situation of a conscientious nature. I just warn that the long-term effect could be a regretful blunder.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

The border is closed. It has been closed since last year, except for unaccompanied children. Where did you get your information?

The following is from Homeland Security, but I have not been to the border to see for myself, and I'm certainly not going to listen to politicians tell me there is a crisis.

Statement by Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas Regarding the Situation at the Southwest Border | Homeland Security

Closing the border gates does not seem to be reducing the amount of illegals entering. Yes, the border is open.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

The CDC states that of the supposed 600K+ covid deaths, only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid...

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And students in schools in most Florida counties have the option of mask or no mask. So, likely, the parents that do NOT believe in vaccines or masks will send THEIR children to school. And the parents that would PREFER a mask mandate are basically screwed. Currently, many parents are NOT going back to their jobs nationwide and particularly in Florida because they might BE FORCED to home-school their children. IMO this is a terrible hardship of decision and confusion to FORCE on young parents ( who are the future of this state and the US).

Of course, one solution to this problem would be to have separate schools - one for the maskless unvaccinated and another for masked and vaccinated children. Also, of course, very few Floridian taxpayers are going to agree to have their property taxed DOUBLED to pay for dual-track schools. And even if possible, it IS too late to put it in place for this school year.

So, back to parents being "used and abused" particularly in Florida......many will be paying taxes for schools and receiving NO benefits while home-schooling children. This will have the long-term result of "dumbing down" US future society. I personally, do NOT believe that this is some conspiracy situation of a conscientious nature. I just warn that the long-term effect could be a regretful blunder.

Uh, the rest of us are paying taxes to pay for schooling also and do not have children in school. Recon we don't see "benefits" either. I agree that it is possible for home schooling to "dumb down" the kids, but sending them to public school is "dumbing them down" anyway. The kids will be fine as long as adults don't find the need to use them for political purposes. Let them go back to school and worry about infection and seriousness when it happens.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

NOT TRUE! From the Lancet, a respected medical journal:

The presentation of patients with COVID-19 and seasonal influenza requiring hospitalization differs considerably. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 is likely to have a higher potential for respiratory pathogenicity, leading to more respiratory complications and to higher mortality. In children, although the rate of hospitalization for COVID-19 appears to be lower than for influenza, in-hospital mortality is higher;

Poppycock. The Lancet is anything but respected when it comes to info on COVID. Article stating HQC was deadly to hospitalized patients was retracted. It published a letter from 'respected' MD's stating COVID was natural and not man made. Pretty obvious that's not the truth.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

Who says none of the deaths were related to the FLU? They are saying that the tests do not know the difference between COVID and the FLU and that is why they are discontinuing the test, right? Some deaths were classified "death WITH Covid" and some were classified as BY Covid. Maybe the death count related to Covid is padded? Just guessing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

Do you think that seventy percent of illegals coming over the border are being split between Florida and Texas might have something to do with that consider a significant number of those are testing positive for COVID. Is there a motive in that?

Well..........TV Land is a MAGNET for illegals because of all the construction jobs and lawn mowing and landscaping projects and associated jobs for them. So, we ourselves are very much to blame for the rush over the border.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But apparently you are living in Fantasyland The ONLY true statement in that post is that survival is 98.5% all comers. Everything else can be slopped on a pig.

From the CDC's VARES site in May that tracks adverse reactions:

Notable
Deaths, Reported: 3,018

I remember hearing that figure went up over 5,000 until the CDC tweaked the numbers bringing them down considerably. Not sure what the criteria is in coming up with the VARES figures but to me it simply gives another reason not to trust the CDC.

[DFEECH]

COVID Vaccine Data

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

My guess is the other 300,000 were due to hospitals receiving bonus payments for every COVID death recorded.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if only 300K (or so) were directly due to covid.... then what were the other 300K due to?

It is not debatable that there were over 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. I believe suicides went up some but it has been asserted that flu deaths went down. If some auto accidents were attributed to covid then those went down a little but I'm sure other categories, perhaps heart disease, went up a little. But overall, there have been more than 600,000 excess deaths.

If only 300,000 of those excess deaths can be attributed to covid, then what happened in the last 18 months to cause an additional 300,000 deaths ABOVE what is normal even with covid included?

They were really, really sick... A stiff breeze woulda' got them...

ie, Hospice patients, COPD patients, Cancer patients, etc...

And you're assuming that that would be 300K ABOVE normal...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by lkagele

My guess is the other 300,000 were due to hospitals receiving bonus payments for every COVID death recorded.

Then there are no cold bodies to go along with those 300,000? There were only 3.1M deaths in 2020 and not the 3.4M+ that the CDC is reporting?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Then there are no cold bodies to go along with those 300,000? There were only 3.1M deaths in 2020 and not the 3.4M+ that the CDC is reporting?

The CDC has been all over the place with regards to the number of deaths...

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And you know more than they do, right.......??????

I am not the poster you are referring to, and I do not know more than the CDC, but I do know that our government, and their agencies, are not trustworthy. Just look at the case of water quality in Flint, Michigan, how about the air quality for first responders of 911, not to mention the fact that agent orange was "safe" to use as a defoliant. Hell, they didn't even call Viet-Nam a war, they called it a conflict so they could get away with minimizing benefits for veterans. And we are to trust our great government, and the agencies they have created?? No thanks, not me.