[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I agree, that doesn't accomplish...or change anything.

On the other hand...neither did this. .

When a responder/writer comments on some topic in THIS venue, it might be best NOT TO INTRODUCE other things, like the kneeling. I understand that you can say anything you want, but it doesn't always accomplish the point you are trying to make.

Turned me right off like a light.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Sometimes when people are on drugs it causes them to be extremely strong and out of control. These officers certainly didn't expect what happened here. Not all cops are good guys, but I believe most of them are;

Live PD Officers Fight Guy - Bing video

Pure obfuscation and attempted justification...for a racist and sadistic act.

Watch/research ALL of the videos on the incident, not just the ones fed to you...by biased sources.

He was NOT, by ANY means..."out of control."

When false excuses like this are made up, it just goes and proves my point about how often the bad cops (which I agree are in the minority) get away with it...so they think the odds are in their favor.

For all that's decent, ethical and fair, just STOP right now making it easier for the bad ones...to continue to get away with it.

Take a knee.

[Kathi71]

Coompare it to the protesting of people protesting the lockdown . Notice the difference in color, behavior, and response by the police? Yes this current protesting is necessary to continure to highlight the disparity in treatment of groups of people. It's past time for a change.

[Bucco]

I still do not understand the knee jerk defense that comes with each of these incidents. The defense is not necessary at all, UNLESS you feel that police are immune in some way to behaving and abiding by the law.

Folks who are outraged on a forum like this have no idea other than a built in mechanism that makes police always the good guys. NOT THE CASE

A general defense is not necessary at all to most. Most, if not all, understand the job, understand the pressure of it, understand what is dealt with each day, and are not condemning police as a whole, YET there is still a blanket "defense" for all.

As with any occupation, violation of the law should be handled case by case unless somehow you consider the police really above the law which would be very ironic as they take an oath to uphold that law.

I happen to dislike the use of any social media to incite people like this, and that applies to anyone who 'uses" it for such purpose.

And for those who find it necessary for some reason to question me or anyone who does not lock steps with their attitude, yep....I spent much time on the streets of Philly and Tampa and am aware of how things happen. I might add that those police officers that do not get involved in things iike this express privately their dissappointment and concern for fellow officers, along with understanding but they pretty much all are professionals and expect their fellow officers to follow their training. And i might add that I found on the streets the divide between police and community is not as big as many like to make it. They KNOW what is happening

Yep, we expect high standards from our police (and any official at any level of government) and should not allow anything to reduce our expectations.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

When a responder/writer comments on some topic in THIS venue, it might be best NOT TO INTRODUCE other things, like the kneeling. I understand that you can say anything you want, but it doesn't always accomplish the point you are trying to make.

Turned me right off like a light.

Given that "taking a knee" is exactly because of the plethora of incidents like this one and the one in Georgia and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with patriotism/the flag...it is WHOLLY appropriate.

Then again, some folks will look for any obfuscation and reason to look away...so as not to recognize/acknowledge the REAL problem.

[Velvet]

Unbelievable! But I missed why George Floyd was being detained in the first place?

[regas56]

And yet here you are living large in an upscale part of town living the dream.. How often do security follow you around the mall assuming you're going to steal something? When/if a cop pulls you over how does it make you feel when he cuffs you and searches you for guns and weapons and then says just do what you're told we've had reports of an older "white" man in the area acting suspicious? When you see a cop behind you at a light do you worry you might be shot? How often do you get the police called on you because you look out of place in your own neighborhood? You ever have people move away from your area cause you moved in or get dirty looks for no reason and feel out of place every single day of your life? I too have had guns pointed at me and worked in very dangerous neighborhoods but always been able to separate myself from those threats and that's why I can't even imagine what it must be like to be black in many many places in America even today..

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Sometimes people can act wildly when they are on drugs and have superhuman strength.

live pd showing a suspect hard to restrain - Bing video

Gracie did you even watch the full video of George Floyd being suffocated to death? It's over 9 minutes of being held to the pavement, with a knee against part of the back/part of the side of your neck (which is where the carotid artery is located). The man could barely move AT ALL. He was handcuffed, the police report included that fact. He had already been handcuffed at the point where this video began. He was helpless to do much other than try to roll his shoulder so he could catch his breath. For nine minutes.

[graciegirl]

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Unbelievable! But I missed why Flyod was being detained in the first place?

This is National news and is a couple of days old already.

He was detained because he was suspected initially of passing a forged check, and subsequent reports say he was -actually- trying to use a fake $20 bill to pay for something at the store where that video took place.

In either case, George Floyd was not suspected of committing an act of violence or threat of violence. There was no need to hold him down on the ground AFTER being handcuffed with a knee to his neck for over 9 minutes.

[Chatbrat]

A friend of mine back in our boating days was lawyer who defended a Ca. Highway Patrolman who was charged with using excessive force. The officer emptied a 38 spl revolver into a suspect who was high on "angel dust", he reloaded and put 5 more ads into the suspect . The officer was exonerated and after the trial the Ca. Highway Patrol went to 357 magnums as their duty weapon

But this case is totally different, none of the cops were in fear of their lives, the man wasn't resisting.

They should get the maximum penalty that the law provides in either state , federal courts and or both.

[Marvic 1]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

When anyone assumes that all people in a group are the same...…..well that isn't right.

So why do you keep bringing up that drugs are involve in this case just about every one of your post in this thread?

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by Heytubes

As a former LEO I feel the one will be charged with murder while the others as accessory to murder. I’ve noticed over the years that a very few officers have the stormtroooper syndrome in that they feel they’re above the law and can be little gods, thus casting contempt for the majority of officers that are doing a commendable job.

Exactly, most LEOs are great, but like any profession, a select few are bullies or incompetent. My nephew is a cop and he hates it when this kind of thing happens.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Marvic 1

So why do you keep bringing up that drugs are involve in this case in just about every post in this thread?

Thank you for also asking...that blatantly obvious question.

As for disparities and privilege...this sums it up.

And if you didn't know, the bottom two photo's are of people who died...in police custody.

[Denvercane]

Originally Posted by lwmilo

I bet you would love to have one of those pigs save your butt when you are being held up a poor oppressed criminal. Those words "pig" are very hateful and show your poor choice of words.

Not an ex cop

My son is a policeman. He stands ready every day to put his life on the line to save yours. Don't judge everyone by the deeds of one. If you do that, then reach out to looters and rioters the next time you need help