[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by regas56

More Video? A cop clearly and purposefully has every ounce of his weight on the neck of a subdued handcuffed "suspect" for between 6-8 minutes while the man pleads for his life saying please officer I give up, I can't breath, you're killing me all the while bystanders are yelling stop you're killing him, his nose is starting to bleed, he's losing consciousness but we need more video? The only surprise here is that he lasted as long as he did as anyone with even a tiny bit of knowledge in human anatomy or martial arts knows you can NOT block the carotid artery for more than a minute or two without inflicting serious damage to a human being.. That Cop charged, arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced, and executed a black man while 4 other Cops stood guard and watched and IMO not one bit of additional video will change that fact. At least the cops will get their day in Court. That would NEVER happen to a white man in any upscale neighborhood..

Absolutely dead on!


But hey, let's concentrate on those whose frustration and anger watching it happen over and over, without proper justice, has boiled over from knowing that just from some of the attitudes/prejudices posted in this thread alone...they'll never get real justice or be treated equal.

[graciegirl]

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[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by regas56

The video shows him being put on a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance where he died on the way to the hospital only minutes after having between 160 and 200 pounds of weight directly on his right carotid artery.. Every police officer I've seen interviewed so far has said that is NOT the way they've been trained to subdue a already cuffed and subdued suspect especially with that much force and for that long a period of time..

Exactly!

Those who think, or have been told, that this is an approved method for restraining a suspect, much less one laying on their stomach with arms handcuffed behind their backs, needs to change their news sources...and take a hard look in the mirror.

This death was caused purely by a sadistic racist with power and the attempts to try and obfuscate/justify/minimize such...is beyond disgusting.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by drgoofy

I can't imagine the frustration they feel. There have been WAY too many killings of unarmed blacks. No one should receive a death sentence for a petty crime or merely suspicion of a petty crime. The completely innocent birdwatcher in Central Park could have met the same fate had he not been prepared with his camera. Those of us with a "white experience" background have no idea! Try to put things in perspective and walk a mile in their shoes.

White privileged background.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Exactly!

Those who think, or have been told, that this is an approved method for restraining a suspect, much less one laying on their stomach with arms handcuffed behind their backs, needs to change their news sources...and take a hard look in the mirror.

This death was caused purely by a sadistic racist with power and the attempts to try and obfuscate/justify/minimize such...is beyond disgusting.

There it is the political overtones.

[regas56]

Yeah he could have been lying and all those bystanders yelling you're killing him, he's bleeding out of his nose and he's losing consciousness could have been lying also.. He was then put on the stretcher unconscious and was dead a couple minutes later on the way to the hospital..OOPS Yeah 6-8 minutes with 175 pounds directly over his carotid he could of been lying..

[Nipper]

The before video shows the cops taking him out of the his car and cuffing him and walking him to the curb. There was no resistance.

[chuckk281]

If you think it's easy being a cop or first responder then you have been living under a rock. Why don't you go to Chicago for a weekend and walk the streets!!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by chuckk281

If you think it's easy being a cop or first responder then you have been living under a rock. Why don't you go to Chicago for a weekend and walk the streets!!

I have NEVER heard anyone say anything to the opposite of what you say, so not sure what is your point.

That is no excuse for anything, and should not be a reply to this case at all.

Of course, we all recognize the difficulty of the job, as do the police who accept the job.

I just hope your comment are not some kind of "excuse" for this behavior. I believe law enforcement and other protectors are given their just due and for the most part are heroes, but closing your mind and heart to the fact they do not represent perfection is simply so wrong.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Jtcoggin@bellsouth.net

I have not seen the entire video. I will reserve judgement until I get all the facts. I encourage all of you to do the same. In the meantime, please don't riot. So stupid.

It looks like murder from the little I have seen. A full investigation needs to be made with full public disclosure. Appropriate charges filed after investigation, as warranted.
As to the riots, in many cases it is not the community or family seeking revenge, it is outsiders, anarchists and other criminal elements using situations like this to justfy their own destructive, self-serving and potentially deadly behavior. They use the rightful outrage of decent people to fuel the fires of resentment. Those participants then feel they can act out with impunity. Rioting never ends well for most, sending trust, racial and economic relations and society as a whole heading backward. Rioters should be dealt with for what they are, criminals.
As to the officers involved in this case, they should be dealt with per the outcome of the government investigation. IMHO.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Of course something must have been going on before the video started I mean why else would the cops have. killed him ??? Hmmmm

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

Of course something must have been going on before the video started I mean why else would the cops have. killed him ??? Hmmmm

Maybe because historically, they've mostly been able to get away with it...so they figure the odds are in their favor?

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by bmit16

Most people do not understand the way prosecuting police officers work. It is not as cut and dry as you would like. I am sure these officer's will be charged, however the process is a little different than filing charges on the general public. This despite what the media shows a lot of the time as a slam dunk case. The complicated issues that are involved in making an arrest and the protections the officers enjoy in order to do their jobs makes the investigation a little more complicated. Sometimes, what appears to be excessive ends up being completely legal when all the evidence is presented due to those protections afforded them to make an arrest and protect the public and themselves. These investigations take a little more time to determine if laws and policies were violated or not. Now, with that said, I feel like after doing many of these investigations, that there will be charges filed against these officers. Often these investigations have to be presented to a grand jury before charges are placed and that can take up to 6 weeks. Be patient people and let the many great police officers due their job to bring the bad apples to justice. Right now, it appears that any and every officer they have, is protecting the city from violence and can not put resources into the investigation until this violence is under control.

I agree wholeheartedly. Some scream for due process when it coincides with their options, conversely they don't want to hear about it when it doesn't.

[graciegirl]

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Originally Posted by nututv

Save it Mike! Ever been white in the slums of Camden NJ? Ever been white in the slums of San Diego CA? I have, both places Please, there is nothing regarding racism and hate you could ever teach me. I have the mental scars and the broken bones to prove it!
Ever looked down the barrel of another mans gun? Been there as well.

As a matter of fact I have been in the poorer parts of NYC, Chicago, Newark NJ, Philadelphia and Baltimore.

Yes, I have had a loaded handgun pointed at my head from 6 feet away.

You are correct that I cannot teach you or any others who have made up their mind to be haters and/or racists anything, you're not willing to have an open mind to learn something.

When/if you go to church, ask for forgiveness for your thoughts and then ask for the gift of patience and tolerance.