[Dilligas]

Originally Posted by Rango

He was murdered by a police officer. His record does not matter

Yes, but he is being held up as a martyr, someone to look up to. Prosecute the killer, but do not make the victim out to be a hero.

[hrenner]

So...murdering black criminals seems to be ok to most of you.
Sad

[Cranford61]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

No man, good or bad, deserves to be killed they way he was. This is going to be like every other episode of protest and riot due to police brutality, nothing will be accomplished, a few crumbs will be tossed out to quiet those protesting and that's where it will end. Anyone that believes disbanding police departments is a good thing is an idiot, the cities that do that will end up like Deadwood, the wild, wild, west over again.

Seven people shot in 3 shootings in Brooklyn last night! And in Breaking News, it will be hot and humid in Florida today.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by hrenner

So...murdering black criminals seems to be ok to most of you.
Sad

That is what you get out of all the posting going on here?

Who is saying let the cop go free?

[Cranford61]

Originally Posted by JulieER

The oppression that the black people live under, the fear they have every day. The moms and dads that have to raise their children coaching them constantly how to respond and act around a white cop or they could end up dead.

Non-black parents also coach there children how to respond to police interactions.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

Perhaps you could just use the language you use with your friends to describe this victim of police brutality. We all know what you mean when you say thug.

I don't think that is fair. What George Floyd was, was a person who had chosen at some time in his life to start taking intoxicants . He was arrested and convicted and incarcerated for several years, actually four different times. He then died as a result of police brutality.

I am interested in hearing how we as a community of people could have changed what happened to him early on? Could we have seen to a better education? Could we somehow influenced his family life? Could we have given over more money in taxes for a nicer neighborhood? Could we have gotten to know him better? Could we have voted to see that he got higher wages? Could we have built community centers so that their was a good place for him to hang out? Could we have paid more money for social services to be sure that he was always kindly and fairly treated? Could we have marched? Could we have taken courses to truly understand what bigotry is? Could we have shared our earnings with him directly so that he would not have any reason to join a group that forced entry into a pregnant woman's home and took money? Could we see that all guns are confiscated? Could we pass gun control laws so that people have a very, very, difficult time buying a gun?

How exactly could we, more particularly I have changed this outcome for him. In my long lifetime, I have not heard anyone including my grandfather who was a police officer for 35 years use that word that we are not saying. My mother died when I was eight days old, and my grandparents raised me, my father remarried when I was two and my stepmother didn't want me so I was not raised in their fine house. My grandmother died when I was twelve. In fact it was only when I was eighteen after my grandfather died that I stayed there for awhile until I got my first apartment. . But fortunately I was white and a good student, I guess. I don't know. I have only been this person.

There are so many of us who grew up with bigotry and racism in a world long ago who are trying to not deserve that label. I really do hate labels. They are often used unfairly. They are often used unfairly.

[Guitarman1951]

Defund the police, yeah that's the ticket!! I've never heard a more absurd concept in my life. Cities that are actually considering something this stupid better talk to business owners cause they'll be packing up and getting out of Dodge City before the anarchy begins. Next you'll hear whining about out of control mayhem, fires and emergencies for which no one responds anymore. And this, after our guns are also taken away. Criminals are just giddy about this prospect. We need law and order leaders who can come up with realistic options to problems of police brutality, like better training, not run away from it and putting law abiding citizens at risk.

[Paporter]

Well said.

[Paporter]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Well, he certainly was not an upstanding citizen walking down the street minding his own business who was hassled because he was black. That's for sure. I seriously doubt these cops were arresting him because he was black. He was under the influence and had an amazingly long record of drug convictions as well as the aggravated robbery conviction where he had held a gun to a (black) woman's stomach.

Is anyone else wondering why he left Texas where he had lived much of his life? Do they have something like a three strikes and you're out rule meaning life imprisonment with no parole for another conviction?

Looks like they do.

"The Three Strikes Law in Texas and Other States
Texas’ three strikes law was first enacted in 1952. California’s law was passed in 1994. After three separate felony convictions, an individual is subject to a life sentence in prison. The law and others like it in other states was enacted to cut down on recidivism – offenders who go on to commit future crimes. Lawmakers believe that career criminals can’t be rehabilitated. To stop them from continuously committing crimes and tying up the justice system, they impose harsh penalties after a third offense.

In most states with repeat offender laws, the law only applies to felony convictions. About half the states in the country have some form of a three-strike law."

From: Does Texas Have a Three Strikes Law? - Mark Diaz

Well said.

[Saluce]

I don’t know of anyone who thinks his death was anything but horrific, law enforcement included!!! The officer(s) involved have been fired, charged and will go through the judicial system like anyone else!! I also don’t know of anyone who supports these officers again also including law enforcement!!!
I’m just not understanding why the protests/rioting s are continuing?!?!? The supposed reason was justice!! Well it’s happening, but apparently they aren’t happy with that and now along with the support of certain politicians, are calling for the defunding of police! All the while they continue to destroy Towns & assaulting innocent officers that had absolutely nothing to do with the original incident. But somehow there are people out there who believe this is acceptable!!!!

[speedo8357]

The only problem is I do not think this will blow over in a few months. Special interest groups will use this to expand social welfare programs. Programs that have miserably failed the black community. I went to elementary school in Bedford Stuy Brooklyn back in the 60s. The class was racially mixed — but what we all had in common was a family. Almost everyone in my class had a mother and father. And we started the day with the pledge of allegiance and a prayer. Social programs over the last 50 years has all but incentivized poor families to rely on the state, and fathers are no longer a presence in the home. Also while I do not have the stats on this, I would hazard a guess and say that God is not present in a lot of homes either. In the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn lamenting the demise of his homeland Russia. . .”men have forgotten God, that is why this has happened . . .”

[jerseyjoy]

Fact: Floyd was arrested because he tried to buy cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill. The store clerk caught it, asked for the cigarettes, and Floyd ran out the door with the unpaid cigarettes. He was not arrested because of his race.
Fact: Floyd’s autopsy revealed meth, fentanyl, heart disease and COVID. Allegedly body cam video shows the 6’6” man was resisting arrest. He was not restrained because of his race.
Fact: The official autopsy shows he did not die of strangulation. Yet the press and majority of public call it murder and have convicted the officer without a trial, on the basis of a video from a bystander without the police body cam showing the entire arrest or dialogue.
Yes, it is more than sad that his cries for air went unheeded; however, people in that state use any ploy to be unrestrained. I am aware of the lies and deceptions of alcoholics and drug addicts, first-hand.
Yes, it is sad that he died. It is sad when anyone dies. But to call it murder, without a trial, shows the self-righteous are the truly judgmental ones. Hard to believe there will be a fair trial, but hope so.

[leolabrecque]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

No man, good or bad, deserves to be killed they way he was. This is going to be like every other episode of protest and riot due to police brutality, nothing will be accomplished, a few crumbs will be tossed out to quiet those protesting and that's where it will end. Anyone that believes disbanding police departments is a good thing is an idiot, the cities that do that will end up like Deadwood, the wild, wild, west over again.

what happened to him between the time he was handcuffed standing up to the time he was laying on the ground next to police car with knee on his neck. Did he argue, punch, fought, or spit on the officer. He was a felon trying to pass a $ 100 counterfeit bill. Something happened but will never know, will we.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by jerseyjoy

Fact: Floyd was arrested because he tried to buy cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill. The store clerk caught it, asked for the cigarettes, and Floyd ran out the door with the unpaid cigarettes. He was not arrested because of his race.
Fact: Floyd’s autopsy revealed meth, fentanyl, heart disease and COVID. Allegedly body cam video shows the 6’6” man was resisting arrest. He was not restrained because of his race.
Fact: The official autopsy shows he did not die of strangulation. Yet the press and majority of public call it murder and have convicted the officer without a trial, on the basis of a video from a bystander without the police body cam showing the entire arrest or dialogue.
Yes, it is more than sad that his cries for air went unheeded; however, people in that state use any ploy to be unrestrained. I am aware of the lies and deceptions of alcoholics and drug addicts, first-hand.
Yes, it is sad that he died. It is sad when anyone dies. But to call it murder, without a trial, shows the self-righteous are the truly judgmental ones. Hard to believe there will be a fair trial, but hope so.

All factual thanks

[Tsmart]

GF was murdered. But he was NOT a martyr, nor was his life a good example for anyone. His long criminal record is available to everyone.