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Old 04-22-2023, 07:31 AM
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Potential modifications to the firing mechanism of the gun prompted dismissal of charges against Baldwin, source tells CNN | CNN

Just saw this. It deserves its own thread as Alec Baldwin has been pretty much tried and found guilty already by some. This hopefully will counteract that.

1. ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FIREARM POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION.


2. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED.


3. KEEP YOUR TRIGGER FINGER OUTSIDE THE GUARD AND OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE.

4. BE CERTAIN OF YOUR TARGET, YOUR LINE OF FIRE, AND WHAT LIES BEYOND YOUR TARGET.

He pulled the trigger and a woman died.
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Potential modifications to the firing mechanism of the gun prompted dismissal of charges against Baldwin, source tells CNN | CNN

Just saw this. It deserves its own thread as Alec Baldwin has been pretty much tried and found guilty already by some. This hopefully will counteract that.
I don't understand why he was charged in the first place. There was absolutely no intent involved on his part.
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US prosecutors formally drop charges against Alec Baldwin | Courts News | Al Jazeera

He did not pull the trigger. If he had then they would not have dropped the case. These prosecutors were seeking a big win regardless of the facts.
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Yes... I'll trust "a source at CNN" rather than an actual gun expert at the FBI...
You do know that CNN reported the news, they didn't drop the charges. You'll be happy to know the case against him can be reopened.
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They are just reporting the same story as everyone else...

I realize that you do want Baldwin to be innocent... But that doesn't male it so...

OJ was found to be "not guilty", but we all know how that went down...
What a vicious comment.
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I agree, but even if he had, there shouldn't have been live ammo in the gun. Actors point and pull triggers all day long on movie sets. The idea that Alec Baldwin would deliberately shoot that woman is ridiculous.
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1. ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FIREARM POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION.


2. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED.


3. KEEP YOUR TRIGGER FINGER OUTSIDE THE GUARD AND OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE.

4. BE CERTAIN OF YOUR TARGET, YOUR LINE OF FIRE, AND WHAT LIES BEYOND YOUR TARGET.

He pulled the trigger and a woman died.
You do realize it was a prop gun on a movie set, right? Apparently there is some question whether he pulled the trigger and reason to believe the mechanism had been modified.

Movie set - make believe - perhaps not a real gun - certainly should not have had real ammunition - supposedly the safety expert on the set had certified that the gun was safe. Somewhat similar to playing cowboys and indians or cops and robbers as a kid in your backyard.
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US prosecutors formally drop charges against Alec Baldwin | Courts News | Al Jazeera

He did not pull the trigger. If he had then they would not have dropped the case. These prosecutors were seeking a big win regardless of the facts.
So.....he pulled the hammer back and did not pull the trigger?
The hammer on a single action pistol must be pulled back before the pistol can be fired!!!!!
The case demonstrates lack of firearm understanding and the use, abuse or hide behind the law lawyering!!!
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So.....he pulled the hammer back and did not pull the trigger?
The hammer on a single action pistol must be pulled back before the pistol can be fired!!!!!
The case demonstrates lack of firearm understanding and the use, abuse or hide behind the law lawyering!!!
The gun supposedly was modified so the trigger did not need to be pulled for it to go off. The person who made that modification is the one who should face the music for the death of the woman and the injury to the man and the rush to judgment by fame seeking prosecutors.
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The gun supposedly was modified so the trigger did not need to be pulled for it to go off. The person who made that modification is the one who should face the music for the death of the woman and the injury to the man and the rush to judgment by fame seeking prosecutors.
So how exactly does a single action revolver fire? I know, apparently you don't.

_SOMETHING_ has to strike the primer.

They don't just go off at random.

Did he pull the hammer most of the way and let go? That would qualify as "not pulling the trigger".

Did he strike the hammer with his palm and push it into primer? Because while it's true guns could go off before the blocking mechanisms were added, this was due to something striking the hammer. I.E. the gun was dropped and the hammer hit the ground and pushed into the primer.
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Not sure but I don't recall CNN having to pay 787 million dollars for "fake news". Just saying. If they dropped the charges it pretty much means they can't prove their case as it stands. Law suits to follow.
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The gun experts have said that it could have fired without the trigger being pulled. That is why the prosecutors dropped the case against Alec Baldwin but now have to investigate as to who and why the gun was modified.

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So how exactly does a single action revolver fire? I know, apparently you don't.

_SOMETHING_ has to strike the primer.

They don't just go off at random.

Did he pull the hammer most of the way and let go? That would qualify as "not pulling the trigger".

Did he strike the hammer with his palm and push it into primer? Because while it's true guns could go off before the blocking mechanisms were added, this was due to something striking the hammer. I.E. the gun was dropped and the hammer hit the ground and pushed into the primer.
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Old 04-22-2023, 09:14 AM
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Sorry, as someone who has been shooting guns for the last 50 years, including IPSC competition pistol, if the hammer is not pulled back, there’s no way that gun will fire. It’s a single action.
Regardless, I’ve been taught since the age of 10 you never point a gun at anything or handle it without checking to see if it’s empty or loaded.
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I don't understand why he was charged in the first place. There was absolutely no intent involved on his part.
Never heard of manslaughter?
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If he pulled the trigger or not should not matter and I said in an earlier post, I would not be surprised if the cinematographer told him where to point the gun to get the visual, she wanted. Movie companies do not hire armorers because they want someone who knows about guns, if that was the case, they could hire a gangbanger to do the job for less. They hire a professional who understand safety protocol for insurance purposes. The production has to take 5% of the blame for either not hiring someone with a better resume or for overworking her. The armorer is the one that has to accept 95% of the blame.

1. No one should have any access to any firearm besides herself.
2. To allow any live ammunition anywhere near a set was irresponsible.
3. At one point she claimed she was overworked; at that point you hire an assistant, or you quit.

As far as actors, I don't know what true knowledge Mr. Baldwin has, but I've worked with some stars that didn't know their right from their left and were handed a gun on set.

Until you work on a movie set, you will not grasp that this is a place waiting for an accident to happen.
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