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Anyone that knows anything about a fire arm knows you check to see if it’s loaded my opinion
That sounds logical, but it's not. Many times, we have to rely on others to do their job. The armorer's job was to make sure the firearms were safe, secure, and bought to the set unloaded when needed. It's obvious none of these were met. I don't kick the tires before I get on a plane, smell the breath of my uber driver to make sure he was not drinking. Baldwin like many actors, are more worried if their hair, make-up, wardrobe is looking good and of course their lines which most of them blow over and over. I've seen many accidents on sets, none have resulted in death. Let's be honest if the actor was John Doe, it would barely have been a blip on the news. Look the industry pushes the envelope to satisfy the audience and have a time limit to get it in the can. That's the real problem here.
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Can a Gun Discharge without Pulling the Trigger?

Think he/she knows of what she/he writes.
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as jack once said, " you ( we) can't handle the truth".
I can't handle the truth? Methinks you're responding to the wrong person...
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Each and every person who touches the gun is responsible to check if a gun is loaded. For instance as soon as person A takes the gun from where it was sitting or being stored, Person A checks the gun, Now person A hands the gun to person B and just before the hand off, Person A rechecks the gun in view of person B, who takes the gun and checks it again. ETC right up to the very last person to get the gun, and while the gun is with the last person, any time this person might set the gun aside for a while, they need to check it again, and then when returning the gun back to it’s storage location, and again recheck the gun before giving it to the armorer, who again checks the gun before storing the gun. The long and short of it, it takes mere seconds to visually inspect a gun to ensure it is empty, and it should never be assumed to be empty until you visually inspect the gun yourself. As far as Mr. Baldwin is concerned, he was the last person receiving the gun, it is his responsibility to check the gun that ended up killing and injuring those two people. The fatal discharge falls firmly in Mr. Baldwin’s lap and nobody else’s.
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And how does live ammunition get on any movie site,,,
Apparently, they were using the same weapons after hours for target practice...

Incredibly stupid...
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I don't understand why he was charged in the first place. There was absolutely no intent involved on his part.
Negligent homicide is a thing... Does not require "intent"...
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US prosecutors formally drop charges against Alec Baldwin | Courts News | Al Jazeera

He did not pull the trigger. If he had then they would not have dropped the case. These prosecutors were seeking a big win regardless of the facts.
Nonsense. The article you posted said no such thing...
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You do know that CNN reported the news, they didn't drop the charges. You'll be happy to know the case against him can be reopened.
Er... You might have missed my sarcasm a lil bit...
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I agree, but even if he had, there shouldn't have been live ammo in the gun. Actors point and pull triggers all day long on movie sets. The idea that Alec Baldwin would deliberately shoot that woman is ridiculous.
Name one person who suggested he did it deliberately... I'll wait...
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You do realize it was a prop gun on a movie set, right? Apparently there is some question whether he pulled the trigger and reason to believe the mechanism had been modified.

Movie set - make believe - perhaps not a real gun - certainly should not have had real ammunition - supposedly the safety expert on the set had certified that the gun was safe. Somewhat similar to playing cowboys and indians or cops and robbers as a kid in your backyard.
No, there is no question as to whether he pulled the trigger.

It has just been opined that because the gun had been worked on since it left the factory (a very common occurrence), that it would be difficult to prove in a court of law...

And even though it was a movie set, they still use REAL GUNS. They just use "blanks", which require a functioning gun in order to fire...

Nothing like playing "cops and robbers"...
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So how exactly does a single action revolver fire? I know, apparently you don't.

_SOMETHING_ has to strike the primer.

They don't just go off at random.

Did he pull the hammer most of the way and let go? That would qualify as "not pulling the trigger".

Did he strike the hammer with his palm and push it into primer? Because while it's true guns could go off before the blocking mechanisms were added, this was due to something striking the hammer. I.E. the gun was dropped and the hammer hit the ground and pushed into the primer.
Exactly. This "trigger was modified" nonsense is nothing but a red herring.

Guns are modified all the time. Parts wear out, so they are replaced.

And yes, with a single action revolver, it is possible for the gun to fire if you pull the hammer back "almost" all the way, before you set the trigger, and then let it go. It'll drop on the primer, firing the round.

That is "user error"...
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Not sure but I don't recall CNN having to pay 787 million dollars for "fake news". Just saying. If they dropped the charges it pretty much means they can't prove their case as it stands. Law suits to follow.
Does the name "Nick Sandman" ring a bell?
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The gun experts have said that it could have fired without the trigger being pulled. That is why the prosecutors dropped the case against Alec Baldwin but now have to investigate as to who and why the gun was modified.
No they didn't... I'll give you if the gun was dropped, there is a slight possibility. But there is NO EVIDENCE that that happened...

The "gun modification" angle is BS and since Baldwin was screwing around with the gun (he admitted to practicing has "cross draw"), he most likely pulled back the hammer part way and dropped the hammer on the primer...

Guns just don't "go off" unless something stupid is being done with them...
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If he pulled the trigger or not should not matter and I said in an earlier post, I would not be surprised if the cinematographer told him where to point the gun to get the visual, she wanted.
Then prepare to be surprised... Baldwin admitted practicing "cross draw" while sitting there. They were not rehearsing a scene, nor filming...

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Movie companies do not hire armorers because they want someone who knows about guns, if that was the case, they could hire a gangbanger to do the job for less. They hire a professional who understand safety protocol for insurance purposes. The production has to take 5% of the blame for either not hiring someone with a better resume or for overworking her. The armorer is the one that has to accept 95% of the blame.

1. No one should have any access to any firearm besides herself.
2. To allow any live ammunition anywhere near a set was irresponsible.
3. At one point she claimed she was overworked; at that point you hire an assistant, or you quit.

As far as actors, I don't know what true knowledge Mr. Baldwin has, but I've worked with some stars that didn't know their right from their left and were handed a gun on set.

Until you work on a movie set, you will not grasp that this is a place waiting for an accident to happen.
I'll accept all of that (even though some of it is speculation), but none of it really matters.
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